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Krivicke

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Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« on: March 25, 2010, 10:48:58 PM »
This post was written in response to an email asking about the posability and range of motion in 4Woods and Lovable Dolls. We hope you find it useful!
 
These dolls have amazing skeletons! They have movement in many more areas than most other jointed brands. We use the same types of joints so the 4Woods & LDs have the ability to move in the same places. The primary difference in range of motion comes from the way both companies make the cores and what silicone is used for the bodies. 4Woods have slightly less range of motion than LDs because they use a very large, complete body core (hence their super light weight). LDs have sectioned cores - this results in slightly more motion and less weight reduction.

Here's a break down of the posability:
Neck - both brands have side to side tilt as well as forward and back motion. In a 2nd neck joint the head can turn on the axis to "look" over the shoulder. This image shows how the head can tilt (in our opinion an absolutely necessary motion for a realistically posable doll).]
 
Clavicles - both brands have a movable clavicle that allows for a "shrugging" motion both forward and back and up and down. This typically doesn't hold because the silicone pushes back to neutral, but you can see the shrug when you have the doll's arm leaning on something higher than the elbow causing the shoulder to lift. You can also see in this photo how the shoulder pushes forward & down a little.
Shoulders - The shoulders have a wide range of motion that encompasses lateral, up and down, and forward and back motion. When moved in conjunction with the clavicle, you can push the doll's arm back to make putting on T-shirts much easier. Both brands have the same range of motion but 4Woods does not recommend lifting the arm above the shoulder in any direction.
Elbows & Knees - The elbows and knees bend in all the same ways as humans do with stops so that you cant bend them into weird positions. They also have lateral motion at the joint which allows the limb to twist or rotate. This allows the arm, for instance, to be either palm up or palm down as shown here.
Wrists - The wrists can pivot to have the hand up or down or anywhere in between, and they also can bend up and down. They are sufficiently strong that the dolls can hold items such as apples or a glass of wine when the doll has finger wires.
Fingers - Both LD and 4Woods have the option to come with or without finger wires. Each company uses different processes and materials for the hands. LD hands have a 2-part plate in the palm. The one part is a large, flat piece where 4 of the finger wires attach. The second part is a small addition which functions as a thumb plate and allows the hand to make and hold a cupped shape. You can see in this picture how the thumb is in a natural, dropped position.
Back - The back joint in both dolls allows for full articulation at no additional charge. This amazing joint causes the doll's hips to pivot forward and back, side to side, and allows a "hula" motion. During missionary sex, if the doll is properly positioned, she will "push back" as you push down because of this flexible joint. The back can curve forward for a slouchy look, and can sit with the spine twisted. They also sit up unassisted. In this picture you can see how the doll is sitting up by herself, with hips cocked to the side and forward. Mahtek also did an excellent review showing how his LD tilts her hips forward. With the 4Woods the pose shown in the picture above cannot be held because of the full body core. The core always bounces back to the neutral position but the joint does still have the same ability to move.
Hips - The hips have a very wide range of motion including an extraordinary ability to spread the legs and push the knees back to the shoulders. 4Woods does not recommend pushing the legs too wide apart for risk of splitting the silicone. We make the same recommendation but you can see here what the dolls can do.
Ankles - The ankles have the same range of motion the wrists have; they can pivot up and down and side to side. The feet have a plate inside that reaches just past the instep for stability.

If you are in a position to visit the LD studio, we have a 4Woods Peach and the LDs that we can show you. That way you can feel them, pick them up, pose them and really get a good idea of how the dolls are similar or dissimilar. Also feel free to email admin@lovabledolls.com for more information on either brand.

Please note: Many of the poses shown in this thread are advanced positions. We don't recommend you try them until you know your doll and her range of motion very well. If a joint feels like it doesn't want to go where you're trying to push it, don't push it! When in doubt remember this:
Kid: "Ouch, it hurts when I move my arm like this!"
Mom: "Then don't move your arm like that!"

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 12:15:07 AM »
These dolls sure do have an amazing range of motion. Thank you very much for the information regarding what each joint can do and how it should work. The pictures you linked to are very helpful in showing what this can look like. Plus they are lots of fun to look at too!
Dude! Look out for that.......    tree.  That had to hurt.

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 06:25:13 AM »
Learn something new every day.  ;)

Time to go exploring!  ;D


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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 04:00:52 PM »
Bronwen,

Its a good explaination about the range of movement of the Lovable Dolls, I've made a sticky of it.
They have an amazing range of movement.

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 05:14:26 PM »
This is a really cool post!
"Leaving it to the imagination" is highly overrated.




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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 05:57:08 PM »
Yea the LD are very flexible ive had more for just a few days and shes been great :D

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2010, 05:14:08 PM »
LovableDolls,

Can you please tell me if the Male Doll ADAM is as flexible in range of movement as the Female Dolls?

I was pretty impressed with how much range of movement the females have after reading this post.

My RD MaleDoll2, CHASE, would never be able to be positioned in many of the poses that your female dolls are placed in.

For example, the pics you linked to with Yvette, legs spread wide open and holding her own in missionary position? Can the Adam also do these positions without breaking anything?

Please let me know at your earliest convenience.

THANKS!

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2010, 03:27:33 PM »
C&B, I cant believe I didn't see this question earlier. Sorry about that. Yes, the male dolls have the same potential range of motion as the female dolls. The limitations on what they can do will come from the way the cores are made and placed, and the weight of the silicone pushing the joint back to "neutral". Very soon Benjamin will be able to show you what he's made of! We would recommend taking baby steps in learning his range and always heed the warning of not pushing a joint when it feels like it's resisting. You will notice that there is a good amount of mobility in his hips/lower back which should be most enjoyable. All LDs since the first have had the flexible back joint that allows a tilting of the upper body from side to side, a forward and back pelvis tilt, and an ability to rotate at the waist as well. This range of motion came originally from the 4Woods skeleton design since those dolls also have motion at the hips/waist.

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 05:05:34 PM »
Matt,

I was interested in the range of motion link and it opened to a "video not available" ad.  So. maybe you should try to load it up again.

Thanks,

GP

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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 06:04:54 PM »
GP, those videos may not be available.

This entire thread with the exception of your's and my post's is well over 2 years old and was made when Lovable Dolls was still in existence.


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Re: Range of motion in Lovable Dolls and 4Woods
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 01:01:22 PM »
Camp,

A little late on this, but thanks for the update. The Sinthetics website has that video or maybe another that shows Matt K.  putting one of his 2D? dolls "through the motions" with legs and feet, along with other tutorials.  This ought to be something all the major doll makers should produce IMO.  And Matt's is a well worthwhile tutorial on this subject, with good advice on the handling of his dolls for newbies (like me).

For those interested, just go to Sinthetics,com and find the link for their "forum".  Scroll down to find the range of motion videos along with the others on the first page.

Happy New Year !

GP