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Advice on male doll aesthetics
« on: October 20, 2017, 07:47:12 PM »
Hi guys,

I'd need some advice on male doll aesthetics.

Today I got confirmation photos from the factory for a male doll (Doll Sweet DS-170/M) with "Leo" head.

The DS-170/M body looks like so:



Customer is happy with the looks of the body.

The "Leo" head looks like so



The customer is not entirely happy with the appearance of the head. He says, Leo is "a bit too girly looking" and he would like him "a little more boyish".

I think I understand what he means; the face ist soft and has an androgynous if not even feminine touch. But isn't that what makes a face boyish?

What would make a face truly boyish but less girly? Is this an issue of the face makeup, or the head sculpt?

Any input on this difficult distinction is warmly welcome!

The full set of confirmation photos is here: http://en.dsdolleurope.com/gallery/doll-sweet-ds-170m-with-leo-head

Thanks,
Sandro

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 08:36:57 PM »
maybe take a picture of an adult male and put though a de-ageing program... I do agree he does look too girlish

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2017, 08:40:23 PM »
It looks like your problem is in the  jaw line. 

Try this site for help:

http://www.zingdisplay.com/Chad-68-Tall-Male-Teenage-Mannequin-p/dmdstevr.htm

Right now that head just does not match the body, too much muscles. 
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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 12:17:58 AM »
It's a little hard for me to explain, but try an adult male head sculpt in the twenty year old range. Better yet, study classical sculpture.
I personally would like to see an option of an older head sculpt in the 30 year old range or older. The doll would be a daddy with a smoking hot bod.
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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 09:51:25 PM »
If the sculptor is an heterosexual man then the priority is to sculpt the face not according to his heterosexual tastes for female beauty but respect the rules of male beauty which the male doll community favors. In order to make a perfect male head or a perfect male body, it's best to base the sculpt on real male models. They are the BEST examples on what's attractive in a male face. Never invent a male head coming from your imagination, otherwise it will lead to a female face or innacurate beauty.

Here are what makes a head masculine in the main lines:

_ Flat and taller forehead with a prominent browbone (women have a smooth and small curved forehead)



_ Bigger, longer nose coming from a brow bone


The main problem with the leo face is its size, it's on the small side so it reminds us of a woman's head shape. It's rounded, small and feminine.

The male nose is longer than the woman's nose:



Men have slightly squarer and wider chins:



As you can see above the chin is square and the jaw is square and the jaw line is much lower than on a woman's face. You can see also the hollows of the cheeks joining the chin. That's easy to sculpt and make the head masculine.

Male eyes are not rounded !!!  they have smaller eyes but wider eyes than women:



As you can see male eyes are wide but in a narrow shape. I mean you won't see a lot of the white of the eyes ball, it's like the eyes are half closed. Women's eyes are more rounded, more winged, more open then male eyes. Keep that in mind.

Now you know all the important main features of a male head, you can analyse the face underneath showing a summary of the features.


This model has wide but rather closed eyes. A flat forehead. A square chin and jawline and his face is on the long side rather than a rounded small female head. His nose is long and rather big. He doesn't have big catlike cheekbones.

All these features are masculine features. There are general guidelines to make a face masculine but you can choose any type of male model in Google and sculpt from what you see. It won't look like the model in the end, but as you followed the rules, it will look successful.

As a male beauty specialist, You can always send me a private message for me to help you in the sculpting process and giving you my opinion on the sculpts. I have a good eye on finding what's wrong or look off and most importantly what's looking handsome.

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 03:04:42 PM »
I agree with grenouille, although I did not know most of that before I read this post!

You would think that, because we are all human, we would share a basic agreement in such preferences. However, I have found that to be not the case. Aesthetic values differ among cultures. Here in Britain, a sizable proportion of the male population have rounder faces with outward curved cheeks. An ever larger proportion of women prefer those males, usually describing them as 'hunky', regardless of physical stature.
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Not a scientific opinion (and I am not as qualified as grenouille) - it is just what I have observed.

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2017, 04:37:29 PM »
Not sure where he got the title "Male Beauty Specialist" from, but something tells me I won't find an online certificate for it at Orange County Community College.  :laugh:

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 10:31:05 PM »
Rummaging around on PassionDoll's website and found this female face...which I'm 95% sure is the same as your male face, just differently painted...which might explain why it looks feminine  ;)


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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 07:23:57 AM »
Sandro when I look at the dolls face I see a teenage boy. It already looks boyish to me.

It would be interesting though to see what the face looks like with some facial hair along the jawline and on the chin.

I think this would at least make it look more boyish without making it look much older.

At least that has been my experience with ball jointed dolls.
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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 02:18:52 PM »
Welcome back, Doll_admirer!  :thumb:

I agree the PD doll does look like it was based off a female head, but so was "Ethan," and I don't see you complaining about him. I think their "Leo" head looks lower-20s. Cute "new face on campus" - literally.  :P

Also, facial hair IS an option for DS-male dolls. Ask MemoryEmily, she has one.  8)

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 10:46:43 PM »

I agree the PD doll does look like it was based off a female head, but so was "Ethan," and I don't see you complaining about him. I think their "Leo" head looks lower-20s. Cute "new face on campus" - literally.  :P


I wasn't complaining about anything, merely pointing out a strong similarity....no need to project Akira-fan.   :whistle:  In truth, I don't know who "Ethan" is  ;D

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 06:03:19 PM »
I have no idea who this person who tagged me is, ::) but I’m sure Doll_admirer (and by extension “Ethan” ;) ) appreciate them coming to his defense.

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 07:03:24 PM »
I wish DS male dolls were a bit taller and more lifelike in size. When I look at the male doll, I notice he is slightly too small. It instantly makes him more "dolly" than realistic. Like an oversized ball jointed doll due to his proportions. I believe many people are bothered to see all these promising male dolls coming from Asia but fail to be as realistic as the western world male dolls. That being said their leo male doll is a nice option for weak men or women who cannot lift too much weight.

DS dolls proved to be one of the best asian manufacturers and I am sure they can come up with tall, realistic blowminding handsome male dolls that will sell as much as the western world. Sinthetics for example sell as much male dolls as female dolls if not more. Why? because their males are tall, proportionaly correct and realistic. The weight has never prevented these male dolls to sell. Probably because male doll customers are ready to accept a heavier doll if they can get the male doll of their Dreams.

A 175 cm to 180 cm male doll with a slender body type, realistic handsome head would definitly boost DS's sales immensly. I have no doubt DS will increase they range of male body options and add many male heads to choose from.

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Re: Advice on male doll aesthetics
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 10:47:13 PM »
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That being said their leo male doll is a nice option for weak men or women who cannot lift too much weight.

Thanks. >:( I can't lift him as it is now (heaven knows I've tried :angel: )

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I have no doubt DS will increase they range of male body options and add many male heads to choose from.

I agree with you that they will continue making new heads. I don't think we have another RD or Sin with several years (decades) between heads, and that their bodies will improve immensely. Hopefully, as their US market increases, they can hire better English customer care agents (not to say they're "bad" per se, but they have considerable room for improvement).