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an observation
« on: June 17, 2017, 07:26:03 PM »
I got bored ... so I decided to peek into TDF just to see what sort of censorship idiocy was currently going on in there ... and I noticed something interesting

either 2-3 or more Japanese doll makers have either gone out of business in the past year or two ... or possibly they are no longer paying in order to continue to be listed in the appropriate sub-forum in TDF

or are midiman and the other Canadian owners of TDF just running completely out of control .. (that I remember TDF is also hosted by a Canadian server)

two of the Japanese doll makers I am referring to are Orient ... and LifeDoll ... both of whom, for many years, had been listed in TDF in the Asian dolls $4000 and over sub-forum

I did a bit of googling ... and found the following current urls for those two doll makers
Orient
 ... in English ... https://www.orient-doll.com/en/ ... select the correct response to enter site ... a pleasant change from the many years they would not deal with anyone outside of Japan
 ... if you understand Japanese ... http://www.orient-doll.com/top.php
LifeDoll
 ... in English ... http://www.lifedoll.net/en/
 ... if you understand Japanese ... http://www.lifedoll.net/ja/


it seems kind of stupid to completely ignore the existence of some doll makers  ??? ... some who have been around for many years

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Re: an observation
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 07:53:40 PM »
Considering the fact that some of the faces on BOTH of these sites look way too young, I think your question is answered.



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Re: an observation
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2017, 09:55:19 PM »
Considering the fact that some of the faces on BOTH of these sites look way too young, I think your question is answered.

*sighing* ... THAT purely subjective argument has been used soooooooooooooooo much both in here and in TDF that it is WAY past the point of senselessly beating a dead horse  :whistle: ... going back as far as 2011, in here, that argument came up regarding some of the 4Woods dolls ... and 4Woods has it's own sub-forum section in here, and is one of the only high end Asian doll makers still lists over in TDF

I remember for a while back then ... the "semi-official" guideline that was supposed to be used was that if the doll was big-breasted then no matter what the face appeared to be, it was ok ... but the small breasted dolls with a youthful appearing face were not ok to display pics of or talk about
 ... it doesn't matter that there are many millions of Asian women who are over the age of 18, small breasted, youthful looking, and completely LEGAL to have sex with ... for some reason both in TDF and in here (though not as bad in here) that idiotic idea still persists

if you think I'm joking about at least how far back that argument goes, in here, here is a link to a thread from back then
http://ourdollcommunity.com/forum/index.php?topic=1943.msg22516#msg22516

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Re: an observation
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 10:16:07 PM »
"some reason both in TDF and in here (though not as bad in here) that idiotic idea still persists"

Something you need to remember, these forums are NOT publicly owned, they are owned by one person, or a small few...so like it or not, what the owners of the forums deem appropriate or not is what goes!
"Leaving it to the imagination" is highly overrated.




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Re: an observation
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 10:22:59 PM »
The argument of perception of age is indeed subjective, that I can agree on, there are many aspects of a dolls appearance that can affect her perceived age. I do however understand the attempt by this and indeed all of the doll forums that I am aware of to at the least deter the postings of photos and even discussions of under age looking dolls, the problem is "Under age according to Who's perception". But with that said the reasoning is they "Doll Forums" do not want to be seen as pornographic sites with good reason. And they do not want to draw attention to themselves or their members as being associated with porn really in any way. So they rightfully so sometimes error on the side of precaution! At least that is the way that I choose to see it!    :whistle:
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Re: an observation
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 11:49:41 PM »
Considering the fact that some of the faces on BOTH of these sites look way too young, I think your question is answered.

... for some reason both in TDF and in here (though not as bad in here) that idiotic idea still persists



If you don't want our opinions then don't ask the question.

If you want to know why TDF doesn't feature certain doll sites, perhaps you should PM a mod over there instead of asking for speculation here.

You can come down off that high horse now.
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Re: an observation
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 02:33:46 AM »
TDF kicked DS dolls off of their website. Not just DS themselves advertising, but DS owners posting photos or discussing their dolls.

Their claim was that TDF prohibited underage dolls.

However they didn't just ban underage DS dolls they banned ALL their dolls!

Since it's been several years since I've visited TDF that policy may have changed. At the time it seemed to be due to Abyss not liking DS' competition.

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Re: an observation
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2017, 12:17:18 PM »
"some reason both in TDF and in here (though not as bad in here) that idiotic idea still persists"

Something you need to remember, these forums are NOT publicly owned, they are owned by one person, or a small few...so like it or not, what the owners of the forums deem appropriate or not is what goes!
I do remember that ... which is why in my initial post of this thread I did mention that midiman and at least two other primary owners of TDF are Canadian, and it is hosted on a Canadian server ... and Canada has some really retarded laws based on their national religion of political correctness.

So I actually do understand why some doll makers are not allowed to be listed on sites like this ... ones like Erie and MakePure, who DO make very child-like appearing dolls ... and THAT was one of my major objections to the very selective application of the rules against child like looking dolls even being discussed in there ... Lady Peridot and her very child like looking doll that she would dress up as to look like the 10 yr old character Rin from the manga/anime Kodomo no Jikan and take it to doll shows ... it was ok for her to talk about her child like doll and post pics of it, but the doll company that made it could not be listed on TDF, and for other people to post pics of child like looking dolls would get scolded and their posts edited or deleted completely.

If you don't want our opinions then don't ask the question.

If you want to know why TDF doesn't feature certain doll sites, perhaps you should PM a mod over there instead of asking for speculation here.

You can come down off that high horse now.
Have a nice day.
LOL @ your suggestion to contact one of the mods over there ... for a while I was a mod in there ... before I got sick and tired of seeing midiman air his dirty laundry about his marriage in the admin/moderator's forum (it turns out his wife really did not approve of all the various women he was screwing, even though publicly in the forum he pretended that she was perfectly ok with it), and because I got tired of arguing that Vanessa was only being an out of control drama queen because Tchon kept covering for it every time Vanessa said stupid shit and caused a scene in there, and I got sick and tired of all the selective application of the various TDF rules ... so when I left I was not on the best of terms with any of the mods over there

when I started this thread I had hoped that just maybe there might be one or more people who might still be in touch with people over there, or who might still have memberships in both ... that might be able to shed light on what was the "real" reason as to why some doll makers with "child like" appearing dolls were no longer even listed on the site ... while others are still listed (more on this in a bit)

TDF kicked DS dolls off of their website. Not just DS themselves advertising, but DS owners posting photos or discussing their dolls.

Their claim was that TDF prohibited underage dolls.

However they didn't just ban underage DS dolls they banned ALL their dolls!

Since it's been several years since I've visited TDF that policy may have changed. At the time it seemed to be due to Abyss not liking DS' competition.
Thank you for your feedback  :)

I am guessing that policy must have changed since you last visited ... because if by DS dolls you mean Doll Sweet, then they are back being listed on TDF ... as are other doll makers who I remember also make dolls that can be considered "too young looking" ... like Maidlee, WMDolls, and other Chinese TPE doll makers.

Now this sounds like it is probably the "real" truth ... "At the time it seemed to be due to Abyss not liking DS' competition." ... I do remember that a few of the doll makers contributed financial support to midiman so he could make his grand European tour to promote the documentary he did about the adult doll community ... to the point where if I remember correctly, Teddy Babes gave midiman control (possibly ownership) of their Canadian store ................ so if Abyss was one of the companies that supported midiman, yeah I can easily see how if they didn't like competition from DS Dolls and complained to him about it, yeah midiman would have removed DS from the doll company listings.
   Which is part of what made me curious this time ... because both Orient and LifeDoll are Japanese companies ... and the other doll makers who make doll that can be considered "too young looking" are Chinese ... it makes me wonder if the Chinese doll makers are paying TDF to make sure that their companies stay listed on that site.

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Re: an observation
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2017, 12:45:53 PM »
Orient Industries and Life doll are still listed under the Asia and Europe dolls section but you have to be logged into TDF to view them.  Same goes for Anatomical doll, the forum is still there but Oleg (RIP) did not continue to pay for advertising and AD were also put into the 'not publicly viewable box'.

For a long time they (Oi and Life doll) were publicly viewable but that changed not so long ago to members only viewable.  I don't think OI or Life doll have ever paid any sort of advertising to TDF.

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Re: an observation
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2017, 01:34:09 PM »
Forgot to mention Mechadoll are also not publicly viewable but the forum is still there in the North America section for members only.

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Re: an observation
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2017, 01:37:54 PM »


LOL @ your suggestion to contact one of the mods over there ... for a while I was a mod in there ... before I got sick and tired of seeing midiman air his dirty laundry about his marriage in the admin/moderator's forum (it turns out his wife really did not approve of all the various women he was screwing, even though publicly in the forum he pretended that she was perfectly ok with it), and because I got tired of arguing that Vanessa was only being an out of control drama queen because Tchon kept covering for it every time Vanessa said stupid shit and caused a scene in there, and I got sick and tired of all the selective application of the various TDF rules ... so when I left I was not on the best of terms with any of the mods over there

when I started this thread I had hoped that just maybe there might be one or more people who might still be in touch with people over there, or who might still have memberships in both ... that might be able to shed light on what was the "real" reason as to why some doll makers with "child like" appearing dolls were no longer even listed on the site ... while others are still listed (more on this in a bit)



LOL @ you asking for opinions and then calling them "idiotic" when they don't agree with yours.



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Re: an observation
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2017, 01:41:59 PM »
Orient Industries and Life doll are still listed under the Asia and Europe dolls section but you have to be logged into TDF to view them.  Same goes for Anatomical doll, the forum is still there but Oleg (RIP) did not continue to pay for advertising and AD were also put into the 'not publicly viewable box'.

For a long time they (Oi and Life doll) were publicly viewable but that changed not so long ago to members only viewable.  I don't think OI or Life doll have ever paid any sort of advertising to TDF.
ahhhh ok ... I understand ... thank you very much for the feedback  :D :thumb:
 ... and I understand about Mechadoll as well