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Title: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 15, 2011, 06:18:27 PM
Am I the only one that would like to see a lighter male doll? Several of my friends are, but they are not part of the doll community (yet. ;)). So, I'd like to hear from all the guys and gals that are interested. What are your thoughts, and ideas?  :)













Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Camp on May 15, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
Sounds like a girl on a mission !   Good Luck !
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: ourdoll1 on May 15, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
Sounds like a very good mission too!

So, how about it, doll makers? 
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Musician on May 16, 2011, 02:17:49 AM
In terms of actual weight, what do you think would be the most acceptable weight for the doll to be for you and your friends?

I'm guessing that you thinking in terms of a solid silicone doll, and one that you and your freinds would feel manageable to move about.

So basically, I'm asking about how many pounds?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on May 16, 2011, 02:13:45 PM
When requesting something like this make sure the request is realistic. Life-size male dolls are heavy especially if you want them soft and poseable. So do you want a mini male, a small thin male, a male that can be hard and not as flexible as long as he's life-size and light? This is not a simple question or simple engineering/design...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: WinstonSmith on May 17, 2011, 07:18:46 AM
All I can say is I hope you find what you're looking for in a doll!  8)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 17, 2011, 04:46:45 PM
 :)Thank you for the well wishes. I really appreciate your interest.
Musician and Bronwen, I realize that when it comes to getting a manageable weight for the male dolls, we may have to give up something, to get something. I am only 5'0, so a shorter doll would be lighter and more manageable for me. I would like my doll to be physically fit with some muscle definition and have a handsome adult face. I could manage an 80-90 pound doll, if he was indeed around my height. I'd still want him poseable. And for ease of getting his pants on, I'd like his legs closer. Our Stacy doll has that typical wide leg stance, and it takes me and Roust both to get a pair of pants on that girl! :laugh: The ranges of flexibility and softness are negotiable, but I'm not sure how those would effect poseability or durability of the doll.
I am trying to be realistic in both understanding the engineering aspects of making these dolls, and what the upper limits can be for a lighter male doll for people who would want or need one. I feel so strongly that there is an untapped market here, that Roust and I have begun our own research into it's feasibility. Roust has a strong art background , and is helping me understand the technical aspects. To be a manufacturer of these dolls, one has to be an artist, an engineer, and have a strong knowledge of human anatomy. The technical aspect of it all is extremely difficult. That's why I'd much rather a well established manufacturer take on this challenge. 
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on May 17, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
:)Thank you for the well wishes. I really appreciate your interest.
Musician and Bronwen, I realize that when it comes to getting a manageable weight for the male dolls, we may have to give up something, to get something. I am only 5'0, so a shorter doll would be lighter and more manageable for me. I would like my doll to be physically fit with some muscle definition and have a handsome adult face. I could manage an 80-90 pound doll, if he was indeed around my height. I'd still want him poseable. And for ease of getting his pants on, I'd like his legs closer. Our Stacy doll has that typical wide leg stance, and it takes me and Roust both to get a pair of pants on that girl! The ranges of flexibility and softness are negotiable, but I'm not sure how those would effect poseability or durability of the doll.
I am trying to be realistic in both understanding the engineering aspects of making these dolls, and what the upper limits can be for a lighter male doll for people who would want or need one. I feel so strongly that there is an untapped market here... That's why I'd much rather a well established manufacturer to take on this challenge.
 ^-^

These are the places things do not cooperate (just for your information and to help everyone give manufacturers a more focused sense of where to go):
* Lower weight hates softness and range of motion. A firmer doll with large cores is light but the bigger the cores, the harder the doll and the less the joints can move.
* Taller height and more bulk (read: "muscles") = more weight

So far the call from men seeking dolls in the market is that they want dolls over 5'8" and either very tall/skinny, or very thickly built/muscled. Both characteristics if softness and range of motion are maintained lead to very high weights (100+ pounds). I do think from personal experience with dolls that people put too much emphasis on greater height - dolls take up more space than you'd think and often seem taller than they are.

Before taking on all the sculpting and mechanics of a doll the market has to first be proven (or at least very obviously wanting). At this stage the biggest call is for male dolls 5'7" and taller, even at the cost of higher weight. If there is a large feminine population out there who is unserved, they need to really speak up and get in on the discussions about what they want. And then of course, the hard part, is having them put their money where their mouth is! If people do not buy the dolls that they ask for, the fact is manufacturers will stop looking at the forums and either stick with what they know sells or just make what they want. There's a common trend for people to demand and demand and demand certain features/styles/looks, then when it gets to market they go "Oh, that's nice" and never order. Ultimately it's the people who actually buy who push the market forward and those who just talk about what they want but will never order actually can hurt the industry because it costs manufacturers SO much to make each new body. It also hurts the industry and the ability of small manufacturers to continue to develop when people make demands/suggestions, see a company make exactly what they want and only then start saving. The financial outlay to make a doll is much more than anyone could guess because there's more to it than just a nice sculpture. These statements are not pointed at anyone, just things that people should be conscious of when trying to direct what gets made when. Frankly, if the market exists and people do actually buy what they ask for, Sinthetics will be HAPPY to step up and make all kinds of different items. But only if the market legitimately exists (ie: Orders support development.)

Oh, and btw, the problem with the wide-spread stance is not specific to all brands. Some doll brands don't have that issue...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on May 18, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
Hi all,

I agree on Bronwen that e.g. a 5 feet male doll may be a product for which is only a small market/small demand, he will be smaller than quite some female dolls, he may be able to weigh 75 lbs. I think he will always be heavyer than female dolls due his more volumptuous torso (you want a male huh?). I think there is not so much demand for such small male doll...
The doll is more difficult and expensive to make than things from which one only makes one like a lost wax bronze sculpture, due one needs for the doll to cast the mold, sculpt cores, skull, and also he needs his skeleton.
I can understand Bronwen's statement if then the product is finally ready after a lot effort in smoothening out problems then there need to be orders too to cover cost and earn profit.
I think that people who are very persisting can build such doll eventually on their own, but it is not an easy job, and sculpting the doll and esp. the head is difficult, and one will find that he/she ends up with a lot costs. Also processes used are often quite critical, one needs to be quite handy with mixing and eventually degassing and pouring stuff and not exceed the pot life during processing it. I know one thing that I will not be easy affraid about not being able to make certain sculptures pieces of art when I finish the doll cause those can not easy be more difficult, one learns a lot. Last but not least one needs to craft steel too, to create a skeleton and a rugged head connector so that the head does not pop off each time you move her around. I think one can do all this work but look at it as a project like building a small vessel or a daysailer, those are too things that are demanding on time. On the other hand a 15 year old high school boy did succesfully build his own submarine http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/KARL%20STANLEY.htm (http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/KARL%20STANLEY.htm)  and did dive to 500 feet, so why can't one build a doll?

Mytime & Helen & Carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 21, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
 :) I reserve the right to say "I told you so" in the future. I'm marking this spot so that I can refer back to it at a later date. :P
I was going to leave it at that, but I can't help myself, so here it goes.
Bronwen, I am a female doll owner that would like to purchase a light male doll. I can't buy him because he doesn't exist. Women who would buy him, don't even know he's a possibility.  Women don't post or join these forums because they're really not geared toward them. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Roust. The male dolls that are being made now are made for, and marketed to men. If someone was brilliant enough to make a male doll for a woman and market it to her, she would buy it. The proof is that I am a female
doll owner of 4 dolls, all female. There are no reasonable other options for me.
Mytime, thank you. You are so right. There is nothing preventing me from developing what I want.  :) :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: noquiexis on May 22, 2011, 01:30:25 AM
Happiness,

     A light-weight, sturdy, soft, durable, and posable male doll is the dream of many of us men, too. If I had the cash, I would have had an Adam LD for the studio in a heartbeat. I still have my heart set on a Pixie for all of those "Lord of the Rings" shoots that I have been dreaming about.

     Eventually technology will catch up with demand, and the doll that you want will become a reality. When dolls can walk, talk, and do dishes (as in the movie Cherry 2000 (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/)), and still be sold at an attainable price, many more people will be joining the doll hobby.

     There are those in the medical field who have been looking forward to that day long before the first life-sized doll was ever produced. Imagine what such technology could do for those who have suffered the loss of a limb. Lightweight, fully functional replacement parts will someday become a reality. Good science fiction is usally based on good science fact.

     I join the others who wish you all success with your quest!

The Mod Squad
 O0 :angel: :police:
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: B-Zilla on May 22, 2011, 07:14:22 AM
:)Thank you for the well wishes. I really appreciate your interest.
Musician and Bronwen, I realize that when it comes to getting a manageable weight for the male dolls, we may have to give up something, to get something. I am only 5'0, so a shorter doll would be lighter and more manageable for me. I would like my doll to be physically fit with some muscle definition and have a handsome adult face. I could manage an 80-90 pound doll, if he was indeed around my height. I'd still want him poseable. And for ease of getting his pants on, I'd like his legs closer. Our Stacy doll has that typical wide leg stance, and it takes me and Roust both to get a pair of pants on that girl! The ranges of flexibility and softness are negotiable, but I'm not sure how those would effect poseability or durability of the doll.
I am trying to be realistic in both understanding the engineering aspects of making these dolls, and what the upper limits can be for a lighter male doll for people who would want or need one. I feel so strongly that there is an untapped market here... That's why I'd much rather a well established manufacturer to take on this challenge.
 ^-^

These are the places things do not cooperate (just for your information and to help everyone give manufacturers a more focused sense of where to go):
* Lower weight hates softness and range of motion. A firmer doll with large cores is light but the bigger the cores, the harder the doll and the less the joints can move.
* Taller height and more bulk (read: "muscles") = more weight

So far the call from men seeking dolls in the market is that they want dolls over 5'8" and either very tall/skinny, or very thickly built/muscled. Both characteristics if softness and range of motion are maintained lead to very high weights (100+ pounds). I do think from personal experience with dolls that people put too much emphasis on greater height - dolls take up more space than you'd think and often seem taller than they are.

Before taking on all the sculpting and mechanics of a doll the market has to first be proven (or at least very obviously wanting). At this stage the biggest call is for male dolls 5'7" and taller, even at the cost of higher weight. If there is a large feminine population out there who is unserved, they need to really speak up and get in on the discussions about what they want. And then of course, the hard part, is having them put their money where their mouth is! If people do not buy the dolls that they ask for, the fact is manufacturers will stop looking at the forums and either stick with what they know sells or just make what they want. There's a common trend for people to demand and demand and demand certain features/styles/looks, then when it gets to market they go "Oh, that's nice" and never order. Ultimately it's the people who actually buy who push the market forward and those who just talk about what they want but will never order actually can hurt the industry because it costs manufacturers SO much to make each new body. It also hurts the industry and the ability of small manufacturers to continue to develop when people make demands/suggestions, see a company make exactly what they want and only then start saving. The financial outlay to make a doll is much more than anyone could guess because there's more to it than just a nice sculpture. These statements are not pointed at anyone, just things that people should be conscious of when trying to direct what gets made when. Frankly, if the market exists and people do actually buy what they ask for, Sinthetics will be HAPPY to step up and make all kinds of different items. But only if the market legitimately exists (ie: Orders support development.)

Oh, and btw, the problem with the wide-spread stance is not specific to all brands. Some doll brands don't have that issue...

Excellent post. This cuts through a lot of fog concerning not only why certain male body-types haven’t been produced, but why many body-types in general don’t get made. The point about a certain section of "prospective buyers" making demands (but not having any real plan in place to ever actually buy what they demand) is something I’ve suspected was a big concern for doll makers over the years as well. Talk is cheap - research, development, and production isn’t.   
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 22, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
Noquiexis,  :-* :-* :-* Thank you! All I hoped to get out of this thread was validation that there are guys and gals that have interest in a smaller, lighter male doll. I have no doubt that someone will make him.  ;D I just hope it's in my lifetime. I'm not sure silicone is the way to go. Maybe someone will come up with something new and better. :D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: WinstonSmith on May 23, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
Perhaps there are some Asian smaller/lighter weight male dolls? Does 4woods, Orient Industries etc. make male dolls?

Please don't take offense, but the mental image of RG/ Male doll together is rather fascinating to me.  :-[
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 23, 2011, 07:25:31 PM
I do not take offense.  :) I would be surprised if more men weren't intrigued. Right now, there are only two male dolls. Both are Real Dolls. Body A, the more muscular one is 110-115 pounds and 5'9. Body B is 90-95 pounds, less muscular, and is 5'9. Sinthetics will eventually be making a male doll. From what I gather so far, he will also be another
tall, heavy doll.  That's the choices for us girls. :(  Not a single male oriental doll to be found.  :o Unless I've missed one. Let me know if I have!

The fact is that there are no male dolls being made for women. We want to play too! :P
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on May 23, 2011, 07:28:52 PM
Perhaps there are some Asian smaller/lighter weight male dolls? Does 4woods, Orient Industries etc. make male dolls?

Please don't take offense, but the mental image of RG/ Male doll together is rather fascinating to me.  :-[

No, there are no male dolls made by Asian makers (other than a very few inflatables).
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on May 24, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
Happiness wrote

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The fact is that there are no male dolls being made for women. We want to play too!

I have heard in past more woman wanting to have sex with a doll, however in this case it was about inflatables.
There are only few inflatables, and all today's are ugly, in past there was one latex inflatable male doll that was nice but he is not being made any more (else he could be a start for a DIY stuffed male doll for you)
For now the only option that may be available is ordering a transsexual (I mean order a fem doll with an attachable penis).
If there is really enough demand for such doll a mfgr will sooner or later jump in and create him.

Mytime & Helen & Carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: WinstonSmith on May 24, 2011, 12:54:27 PM
I've never really considered male dolls much. Would they be harder to manufacture? Obviously less demand for them- I think.
Really, why would a woman NOT want a doll with a perfect body, did not leave his dirty underwear on the floor, fart in bed, etc.
Now I'm wondering if women knew more about male dolls if they might not be wildly popular. The one difference I see is that one cannot be impregnated by a sex doll. My wife has never wanted kids, but I think she is a rarity. Perhaps I'm wrong about that and this IS an attraction to women for dolls.

Please don't think me sexist here-
I think I understand men's attraction to dolls- Just wondering if I understand women's attraction to them.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 25, 2011, 03:43:15 PM
 :) I'm not sure that women and men differ so much in what they would get from a doll. Dolls are the perfect idea of what a beautiful body is. There are just as many lonely, heartbroken women as men, that would enjoy the comfort of owning a doll. It's not something that all women would like, but doll ownership isn't for all men either.
I do not know a single woman that doesn't own at least one or more vibrators. Does anyone seriously think that we wouldn't want a love doll?

As far as becoming pregnant goes. That's not feasible....yet.....with a doll. There already are alternatives for women out there who wish to have a child without a man's involvement. Most women would take a real guy any day over a doll, as most men would take a real girl over a doll.

I've looked at the male inflatables. Yuck! And women are buying them! Poor us! I wish Cosmo would do an article and a poll. Maybe I'll shoot them an e-mail. :)

Speaking of which, have you read Cosmo lately. It's practically THE sex magazine for women . Women are becoming more and more forward about their sexuality. We no longer believe that "good girls don't want sex".
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 25, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Look what I found right under my own nose!!! :D
http://ourdollcommunity.com/forum/index.php?topic=926.0
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: WinstonSmith on May 25, 2011, 08:36:08 PM
:) I'm not sure that women and men differ so much in what they would get from a doll. Dolls are the perfect idea of what a beautiful body is. There are just as many lonely, heartbroken women as men, that would enjoy the comfort of owning a doll. It's not something that all women would like, but doll ownership isn't for all men either.
I do not know a single woman that doesn't own at least one or more vibrators. Does anyone seriously think that we wouldn't want a love doll?

As far as becoming pregnant goes. That's not feasible....yet.....with a doll. There already are alternatives for women out there who wish to have a child without a man's involvement. Most women would take a real guy any day over a doll, as most men would take a real girl over a doll.

I've looked at the male inflatables. Yuck! And women are buying them! Poor us! I wish Cosmo would do an article and a poll. Maybe I'll shoot them an e-mail. :)

Speaking of which, have you read Cosmo lately. It's practically THE sex magazine for women . Women are becoming more and more forward about their sexuality. We no longer believe that "good girls don't want sex".

Yeah, I'll admit those male inflates look pretty horrible. The truly unfair part is that you only get a disembodied penis, while we men get full super hot babes. (Looks over at Cookie) I suppose if women  in great numbers demanded male dolls then there would be more. This how capitalism and free markets work.

Imagine this scenario-

You go out to a bar full of drunk, sloppily dressed and immature guys. You have at home a male silicone doll with a perfect body and penis that is exactly the size you need. Have men become largely obsolete at this point? Perhaps I'm looking at this all wrong. Perhaps a beer-guzzling, sports-watching, bed farting, cheating semi-ape is what women actually want. Not all men will fit this stereotype, but it does cover a large majority of them. I'm trying to look at this from a woman's perspective, though not sure how successfully. Being that I've been married to the same woman for sixteen years, I think I understand women somewhat, but perhaps not.  :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on May 25, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
WinstonSmith, you are a wonderful husband and your wife is lucky to have you! Not all women are so fortunate. A doll may help. I can't see dolls replacing human to human relationships. I love Roust with all my heart, but a male doll could be fun for us. And it's not just the girls that would benefit from more choices in male doll body types. See my post above. There's a link to a conversation at Muscle Beach. And here's one more for the cause. ;D
http://ourdollcommunity.com/forum/index.php?topic=2292.15
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 07, 2011, 03:28:08 PM
 :D I started saving for my male doll today. I should be able to pay for him in full, in one years time! He doesn't exist yet, but I believe in the power of positive thinking!
     
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Camp on August 07, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
:D I started saving for my male doll today. I should be able to pay for him in full, in one years time! He doesn't exist yet, but I believe in the power of positive thinking!
     

Maybe you can debut him to the World at next year's DollLApalooza...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on August 07, 2011, 05:18:22 PM
:D I started saving for my male doll today. I should be able to pay for him in full, in one years time! He doesn't exist yet, but I believe in the power of positive thinking!
     

Congratulations and good start! Add to the positive thinking and saving a bit of begging, pleading, and getting other ladies to join your cry and I daresay your dreams will come true!  ;D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 07, 2011, 08:08:53 PM
 ;D Camp, if I could get him before then...that would be a definite!!! ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

Bronwen, LOL!!! :) I'm not ashamed to beg. ^-^ But, I told Roust it he has to be a Sinthetics. Seriously, you guys have spoiled me with your quality, attention to detail, and customer service. ^-^  One day, you're going to make the male doll of my dreams, and I'm willing to wait! :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on August 08, 2011, 02:21:31 AM
;D Camp, if I could get him before then...that would be a definite!!! ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

Bronwen, LOL!!! :) I'm not ashamed to beg. ^-^ But, I told Roust it he has to be a Sinthetics. Seriously, you guys have spoiled me with your quality, attention to detail, and customer service. ^-^  One day, you're going to make the male doll of my dreams, and I'm willing to wait! :-*

Aww! Where is the blushy face? You wont be disappointed I am sure.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Musician on August 08, 2011, 09:29:58 AM
There was more conversation somewhere...maybe at another forum, about someone anxiously waiting for Sinthetics to produce another male doll.

You guys got everybody spoiled with the LD male doll.

But then again, your doing a pretty good job at spoiling us with the female dolls too.  ;D

Your public awaits.

Happiness, I hope that you get your doll in the not too distant future. I had a conversation with someone who was not a doll owner that asked me, if I had a wife or girlfriend, how would I feel about them having a doll?

I told them that I would love for them to have one. We could have great fun together with it, and hopefully, my female doll too.. What a group!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 08, 2011, 12:11:55 PM
Musician,  :) I may have seen the same conversation. I know it's been talked about over at the doll forum. I am very happy to see that slowly, the number of women on the forum
is growing. Lots of talk about the weight issue there and everyone wants a better selection. Abyss doesn't seem in any hurry to add to their male selection, although they did start a thread asking people what they would want in a male doll. That was back in Feb. of this year. We all know that Sinthetics will make a male doll, and that they are active on the forums. They are listening to their customers, and as far as realism and quality, they are running away with the show! Call it womens intuition, but I know that Sinthetics is going to make the dolls we want.

I'm glad to hear that you would support your girlfriend or wife in getting a male doll. Thank goodness Roust does too. :D I don't understand those people that would have a doll themselves, but not want their partner to have one. It's such a double standard, more than a little selfish, and not very imaginative.  ;D I can think of all kinds of fun!!!

Thanks for your well wishes! :-* :-* :-*Right back at you!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on August 08, 2011, 02:43:12 PM
I'm glad to hear that you would support your girlfriend or wife in getting a male doll. Thank goodness Roust does too. :D I don't understand those people that would have a doll themselves, but not want their partner to have one. It's such a double standard, more than a little selfish, and not very imaginative.

Interestingly enough I think this is a crux of the issue with dolls often. A lot of women are "disgusted" or threatened by them if a guy has one, but somehow having a 10" vibrator or a whole stack of dildos is totally okay. It definitely is a double standard, and a very odd one at that.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 09, 2011, 04:04:24 PM
 :) Yeah, the double standard goes both ways. But I've heard some guys compare the vibrators to the dolls. I'm sorry, but a hard little plastic, vibrating object, cannot be compared to a doll that looks like a drop dead gorgeous human being.  The vibrators that women use can be compared to the fleshlights that men use. So, I believe the only thing that equals a female doll, is a male doll.  Call me pigheaded, but I believe in equality between men and women.  ^-^
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Advanced on August 09, 2011, 11:16:54 PM
Happiness, that comparison has allot to do with male psychology vs female. Let me put it simply, as a male a naked female form is usually enough to get it on. For most females not taking the trash out enough times(random example: the severeness of the perceived insult against the woman may vary as their triggers, what upsets them, can be as unique as the woman in question) will make her unattracted to her man.

Or to put this whole thing very simply in my experience, most guys are visual, whereas most women attraction is all in their head. So yes a doll is to a guy, what a dildo is to a girl.  Romance novels vs porn as a blunt example.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on August 10, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
I was actually speaking more of the vibration and size than anything else. The size and aggressive motion of the toys could never be matched by the average guy, just like the physical perfection of the dolls cant be matched by the average woman. For those with fundamental insecurities, these are reasons that dolls can be perceived as a threat. I have known men who are threatened by the very large dildos too...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 10, 2011, 02:45:41 PM
Advanced, I agree with you in that men are visually stimulated, and women need more than that to be turned on. How does that make a dildo or vibrator equal to a doll?
And Bronwen, perhaps some men are threatened of the vibrators and dildos. I just don't know any.  ^-^  I have a drawer full of those things. Roust bought every one of them.
My point is, if she has dildos and vibrators, don't get upset at his fleshlight and pocket pussy; and if he has a doll, don't get upset at hers.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: roustabout on August 10, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
     I think it is a little funny that Happiness is having trouble getting everyone to compare apples to apples. As you all know, High end doll are used and appreciated in many ways, while  other (toys) serve only a single purpose. Dildo's are hard to find cloths for, and just try to cuddle up to a vibrator.  :o I also think that photos of Ben Wa balls would quickly become repetitive. ::) 

I would also point out that saying 'men are visual and women are mental' is to simplistic and limiting. It's only natural that women would want life size dolls.  After all, who do you think has been playing with dolls the longest.  ;)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Camp on August 10, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
I just think it's cool that Stacy will have a boyfriend...

I can't wait to see those pics...  >:D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Z-Dr on August 10, 2011, 10:34:15 PM
Way to wear the pants Roust. :laugh:

I commend Hap for her perserverence and hope that it comes to fruition sooner than later.  I think there are pros and cons for both sizes of dolls.  I like to snuggle with a doll that is true to size and form but for play, smaller and lighter has it's advantages.  I think variety is the spice of life.  I would like to have male dolls in my collection but not enough to supercede adding females. ::)  I think I would opt for full size for compatibility with most of my girls.  If only funding and space were not limiting factors...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Advanced on August 11, 2011, 12:11:46 AM
Roust, my point is  an apple to a woman may as well be an orange to a man. Thus there can be no static comparison. Just playing devil's advocate  :D
Also with guys generally a few items are used at a time you have your sleeve and favorite porn type, a doll combines both of these things. From my understanding of women(I'm a guy) they use their toy and their favorite porn type novel/imagination ect.. A doll for a good number of ladies wouldn't cut it as well as it would for most men.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: noquiexis on August 12, 2011, 02:57:32 AM
     Happiness originally asked:
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Am I the only one that would like to see a lighter male doll?

     If memory serves, Billy Joel, Paul Simon, and Scott Hamilton are all men of short stature. Maybe a short male doll will be in the works before long. The smaller size should be more managable and weigh less. The six-foot two quarterback might be sexy, but the same proportions in a smaller size would be easier for the ladies to wrangle. With computer-assisted body scanning, resizing the measurements should not be too difficult.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 13, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
 ;D This is why I love this forum and the people here!!!! When I get to hear others view points, then I get to learn something new myself. I appreciate every comment here! ^-^
Roust brought up a great point. Part of the fun of having a doll is the companionship, the playing dress up, giving the doll a personality, and taking pics. And of course, being part of a community of real people with shared interests. For me, as a woman, the doll adds far more to my imagination and sexual fantasies than a dildo or vibrator. Those are just objects to me, but the doll is something more. That is why I don't understand the comparison of dildos and vibrators to dolls. :)

Noq, thank you for bringing my thread back to the original topic!!! And for your support!!! I really want to see more people post, that would like to see a lighter male doll come to market. I'm watching a thread by a female on the doll forum. She's awaiting the delivery of her body B Real Doll; a 90-95 pound, 5'9 doll. I'm very happy and excited for her, because she is getting a doll that she really wants and her excitement shows in her posts. I'd like to know her opinions on the weight and maneuverability of her doll when he arrives. Women are just starting to find out about these dolls, and her review will be one of the first that I'll see.

You guys are awesome!!!!!! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 21, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
Well LorileiXAlec has her new male doll from Abyss, and surprise, she can't move him. She's still really excited to have him. Before she ordered him, she envisioned the different ways she would interact with him. I wonder how many of those will come true for her, given the weight issue. How can she not be a little disappointed in a few weeks, when the newness wears off, and she has a doll she has to struggle with.
I wish her all the best..... ::) maybe someone can develop a pulley system for our heavy dolls, one that can work with our doll stands. :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: ourdoll1 on August 21, 2011, 08:09:32 PM
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Roust brought up a great point. Part of the fun of having a doll is the companionship, the playing dress up, giving the doll a personality, and taking pics.

 Yup, in short, you get a chance to PLAY again  8)

  If a light male doll was available, I'd have to fight with the MRS over Dollie-money  :laugh:
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 22, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
Lol!!! Roust and I are trying to share the doll fund. It's a continuous conversation about which doll is coming home next. We actually have two doll funds right now. One for the male Sinth, and one for the next female doll. We were going to order a Lilith next month, but now are considering a female Sinth. I told Roust to get whatever doll he wanted, and he seems frozen with indecision.   :laugh:  It's possible that I could get my male doll first.  But it will be April when I have all the funds. And I don't know when the first male Sinth
will be unveiled. If he's heavy, I'll have to wait. I want a doll that I can at least lift. Stacy weighs 87 pounds, and she is my max. I can lift her and carry her in a bear hug, but it's not easy. So... I'm hoping for a male doll that's not over 85 pounds. ( wishing fervently with fingers crossed )  ^-^
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Ray Rentell on August 22, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
95lb's ......  :o

Oh I do hope she is not too disappointed, all that saving , anticipation and the long wait.
Did nobody advise her on the weight issues at the forum?
They must of warned her ...........

Still, she may well make a work around somehow and thoroughly enjoy his company, could this be a case for the Incredi stand I wonder?

Just a thought , are there no Japanese male dolls by people like 4woods, slightly smaller stature could be the answer.
Happiness's quest continues.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: roustabout on August 23, 2011, 01:55:58 PM
     As of right now, the only male dolls currently on the market are from Abyss. I don't count Nax from first Android, as he is both heavier and more expensive. All of the current male bodies are heavy and seem to be made with male purchasers in mind.
    One thing I have noticed is that people who don't have any experience with dolls tend to want and demand larger and taller dolls, while people who have dolls demand lighter dolls that are easier to manage. I would also point out that a doll stand can add anywhere from 2 to 6 inches to the dolls height, depending on the design.
In the long run, people will be happier with lighter dolls that they can do more with.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 23, 2011, 02:25:14 PM
LorileiXAlec  had already ordered her doll by the time I discovered her posts. With the doll already on its way and considering her excitement, I didn't want to rain on her parade.
So, I told her he would be heavy and that she would definitely need a wheeled chair and a stand. Roust PM'd her to discuss the weight, but her response was typical; she's in shape, she doesn't believe she's underestimated the weight...etc.  Several people touched on the weight, but outside of Roust, no one emphasized it.

I believe that she will still enjoy her doll, but she will not be able to enjoy the doll in all the ways she had dreamed. Roust told her about the stand and sent her a link. Perhaps she'll make one.

I'm sure people will be very helpful with advice when she comes back to post. Oooooh, Roust just mentioned the dolly dolly. That might be a better idea than a straight out stand. I'm going to go post to her thread.  :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Camp on August 23, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
I have to get back to work on my Dolly-Dolly...

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1395/img3283tj.jpg)

Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on August 24, 2011, 10:15:41 PM
I Believe that a thin guy with 5'7" or  5'8" not muscular could be a nice way for the girls.
At least for me, my favorite kind of men are the skiny guys. In nature they are lighter too.
For real the perfect body for me is that in the pic...

Just like an angel.
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6801/perfectbodyv.jpg)



Muscular dolls mean havier dolls.
Smaller dolls can be confused as kids or they will be almost caricature.

I think that if there where 2 models: one skiny and other muscular as Adam, it would be perfect for everybody.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: ourdoll1 on August 24, 2011, 11:22:47 PM
 :o  BUT ... did you have to shoot him with an arrow?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Z-Dr on August 25, 2011, 02:26:52 AM
And A flu-flu at that!  But you did say he was an angel... ::)
(flu-flus are for shooting birds in case you did not know)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: AVTH on August 25, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Maybe sinewy body model is good (lighter but also visible muscles like dancers body).
But i am very satisfied of my Adam face and body shape. He looks perfect from any angles  ;D

I think that volume of the body is most related with weight. Probably it is possible make lighter "muscular" body...

Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on August 25, 2011, 10:30:57 AM
:o  BUT ... did you have to shoot him with an arrow?

Yep.. this is my personal angel. That was the day I've met him for the first time. I mistook the angel with a dove.

But he forgave me about the arrow. He wants to stay with me forever, but he needs a fisical body for it. :angel:
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Mahtek on August 25, 2011, 04:55:24 PM
Nicely centered shot.

You've had practice!  :laugh:



Mahtek & his Ladies
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 27, 2011, 01:15:45 PM
I don't care so much for the tall, thin form. But I don't have to have a lot of muscle either. It doesn't matter if the silicone is in the height, or in the muscle, it all equals heavy weight. A well proportioned doll in 5'4 range, with a handsome rugged face will not be cartoonish nor young looking.

AVTH, your Adam is beautiful. I'd love to have a male doll just like him, but smaller. I'm just not strong enough to lift him.  ^-^

Gilda, what do you think about the Abyss Body B? He's thin and tall, 5'9. His weight is 90-95 pounds. He looks similar to the body in your pic.  :) Would your doll be just for the bedroom, or would you pose and photograph him? What weight range would be comfortable for you? Forgive me for being nosy, but I really would like to know what other girls think. I hope that we can both get what we want in a doll.  :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on August 27, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
Hey Happiness!

I also feel happy to see other girls with the same love about dolls!
I'll try to answer your questions;

About the abyss body B: Yes, I thought about it. But  I think they shine a lot, and you really need to powder them... Sins seems to have a more natural skin, RD also have not a good navel... and  the Adams are so full of details... And I'm a perffectionist.. :P  Indeed he is thin, but I think that 5'9 is not the ideal - too tall.
5'9=175cm
5'4 = 163 cm
I'd rather something like 5'5 - 5'7  =  168 cm - 170 cm.  168cm would be the best. :angel: :angel: :angel:

About posing  = Yes!!!! Posing and bad of course! hahaha I'd love to take photos of/with him.
Weight? Something about 80 - 90 pounds is possible - I am trying to imagine a doll-stand for a doll like this.
Indeed I've suggested it in a pre-existent topic   http://ourdollcommunity.com/forum/index.php?topic=1377.msg32770#msg32770   and the  guys are being very kind trying to imagine something for us : Girls future owners of male dolls.

You are not being nosy!
It's so nice to make friends!
I have some more ideas for a male doll made for girls. Pehaps for boys too, of course.
We'll go talking. ;) :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on August 27, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
Gilda, I have a recommendation for you. If you have any petite friends or friend's children in the 90lb weight range, try to carry them when they are being limp. Ask them to be like dead weight and see if you can manage. The reason I say this is because I am 5'6" tall and I am of average strength for a woman. I cannot carry a doll over 80lb by myself. The weight of a doll, especially a tall one, is very difficult to manage if you don't have a lot of upper body strength, and that's especially true if the doll is taller than you. It's not the same thing as carrying a heavy box or even a piece of furniture because those things are rigid. Definitely do some tests for yourself so that you have a working knowledge of what you can realistically manage. Also, keep in mind that dolls SEEM bigger in person than they really are. Especially if you use a stand.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: roustabout on August 27, 2011, 11:00:39 PM
I can attest to the fact that the dolls seem taller in person. Stacy seems taller than her 5'4" and that is before the 4" added by her stand. The main problems I have lifting her is that there is no good place to grab on to and I need to lift her high enough that her feet are safe. The taller the doll, the more difficult it will be to transport. Now add the weight to the equation and you have a recipe for disaster .  :o 
Planning your moves is a critical step in doll survival training.  ;D
I consider a doll stand a must for any silicone doll owner Camp's design has worked well for us.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: N. poeticus on August 28, 2011, 12:41:23 PM

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6801/perfectbodyv.jpg)

I can see Cupid shot him good:

(http://www.alancaseyentertainment.com.au/Phoenix%204.jpg)

As the myth goes, Venus' subjects forgot to worship her because her subjects were so fond of the lovely Psyche, she became jealous, and so she had Cupid attempt to make Psyche fall in love with the vilest thing in the world.  But instead, Cupid accidentally pricked himself with one of his arrows that was supposed to make Psyche fall in love with the vilest thing in the world, but instead it made him fall in love with her! 

But you don't need arrows, Gilda, to get your boy, just enough money to afford him!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 28, 2011, 06:30:53 PM
 :) Gilda, I agree with you about the Male dolls of Abyss. I find them too plastic looking. Adam of Lovable Dolls is in a whole other league. I cannot wait till Sinthetics comes out with a male doll! Their female dolls are AMAZING. I love the realism. I don't have a doubt that they will put as much care and attention into the male doll.

 :) Bronwen, Yes! It is nice to hear a woman who has experience with these dolls, speak about the weight. It's easy for someone who's never lifted one of these dolls to underestimate the weight. As Roust said above, our Stacy is 87 pounds, 5'4 inches. That doesn't sound bad, but she has a presence that makes her seem physically larger, and the girl is HEAVY. Roust is tall and strong, and he struggles with her. I can barely lift her, and get her to a chair. I'm afraid I'll hurt her, or I'll hurt myself. I wouldn't even attempt to lift a 5'9, 90-100+ pound doll. Roust and I usually move Stacy together.

I hope for a doll light enough that I can maneuver on my own. I think a shorter doll that has some muscle or definition would be the most realistic way to bring the weight down to a manageable 70-75 pound range. A thin, short doll could look childlike, unless the face is obviously older; and I'm not sure that look would appeal to the broader audience.

Here's a cutie just to prove that good things come in small packages!!! :P  :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on August 28, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
Gilda, I have a recommendation for you. If you have any petite friends or friend's children in the 90lb weight range, try to carry them when they are being limp. Ask them to be like dead weight and see if you can manage. The reason I say this is because I am 5'6" tall and I am of average strength for a woman. I cannot carry a doll over 80lb by myself. The weight of a doll, especially a tall one, is very difficult to manage if you don't have a lot of upper body strength, and that's especially true if the doll is taller than you. It's not the same thing as carrying a heavy box or even a piece of furniture because those things are rigid. Definitely do some tests for yourself so that you have a working knowledge of what you can realistically manage. Also, keep in mind that dolls SEEM bigger in person than they really are. Especially if you use a stand.

Hi Bronwen!
 Nice tip! And I did it already!
My brother visited me today with his daughter.  They left right now and for my lucky I've read your post before they leave.
So I asked to pick up my niece whose weight is 89.5 pounds. (I've noticed that when she weighed 76.5 pounds it was much easier to get her in my arms).
I did what you said: I've asked to her to act as a dead weight, but a child never does exactelly what is asked, so she moved a little ( specially her arms)
I will not say it was easy, but it was not impossible, but I  really got a little tired ..
Maybe 90 pounds really is not very healthy for the column in the medium term. Despite I do pillates classes 3 times a week...

Thanks again about the tips, now I understand  what I really want:
Something with the proportions of  Realdoll2 Male body B with a better skin and more detailed, with 165cm ( 10 cm less than Realdoll) and weighting about 75-80 pounds .

Happiness: me too! I cannot wait till Sinthetics comes out with a male doll! They will be the Ferrari of Male dolls.

I am learning so much with you all guys and girls!
Tkx a lot :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on August 31, 2011, 02:35:45 PM
 :D Yep, before we bought Stacy, I did the same thing with my son. He was 115 pounds at the time. I could not lift him from the floor, but I was able to lift him from a chair. He was 5'0 at the time. That was the only reason I was able to do it at all.

When lifting the dolls, their feet have to clear the floor. That's much harder to do with a tall doll. I believe a 5'4 doll, which is the average height of women, would be the best way to go. A 75 pound doll is still going to be heavy, but for most women, I believe it is manageable. Now, the body design is another matter. Different women are going to like different body types. I'm hoping for 'average' if there is such a thing. Not too thin, not too muscular. This is in the hands of the doll makers to decide what body is going to appeal to the most people. I'm just happy that Bronwen is lending us an ear, and she herself understands the weight concerns.  :)

Gilda, I'm happy that you're holding out for a Sinth.  :) We'll wait for him together. I don't know what the weight is going to be like, but he will be gorgeous for sure!
What kind of face do you like? I wonder if Sinthetics will offer different faces for the male doll(s) over time? Ahhh, the anticipation. I love it!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: AVTH on August 31, 2011, 02:58:48 PM
The centre of mass is important thing when lifting (doll or other heavy object). It is much easier lift when mass is "centralised" with my mass and above my foots. Normally balance of mass is obtained by tilting body.

Heavy limbs of doll may cause difficulties, because centre of mass is very unstable.  ::)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on September 02, 2011, 07:44:52 AM
The centre of mass is important thing when lifting (doll or other heavy object). It is much easier lift when mass is "centralised" with my mass and above my foots. Normally balance of mass is obtained by tilting body.

Heavy limbs of doll may cause difficulties, because centre of mass is very unstable.  ::)

Hi AVTH!

That's one of the reasons why infortunatelly Adams are a impossibility for girls : Their legs are gorgeous, muscular and yummy :P :P :P but they are also very heavy for us to take the doll centralized


You are experienced with your Adam, so what position do you think it's easier to carry a doll?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: AVTH on September 02, 2011, 08:19:32 AM
The centre of mass is important thing when lifting (doll or other heavy object). It is much easier lift when mass is "centralised" with my mass and above my foots. Normally balance of mass is obtained by tilting body.

Heavy limbs of doll may cause difficulties, because centre of mass is very unstable.  ::)

Hi AVTH!

That's one of the reasons why infortunatelly Adams are a impossibility for girls : Their legs are gorgeous, muscular and yummy :P :P :P but they are also very heavy for us to take the doll centralized


You are experienced with your Adam, so what position do you think it's easier to carry a doll?

Piggyback -style (with a bit bow down position/back) is easiest. But enough high sitting place (for doll) is needed, because is very difficult to lift heavy loads with squat pose (or you must be good weightlifter [or strong thighs]  :laugh:).  ;)
Piggyback with bowed position allow even "hands free" when doll is lying firmly on my back.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on September 04, 2011, 05:54:41 PM
 :) I thought of piggyback, but I would be too scared to try it. If something went wrong, I wouldn't be facing the doll to help. The dolly dolly with a pulley system sounds like the best alternative. Perhaps it would nullify the weight issue altogether.   ^-^
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on September 19, 2011, 02:35:31 AM
A face like this would make me cave on the weight issue!!!!! :D Wow!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on September 19, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Unfortunately that face was destroyed...
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: N. poeticus on September 19, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
Unfortunately that face was destroyed...

Why because of the court ruling? or something else?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on September 19, 2011, 02:53:46 PM
Matt K worked still for Matt M at Abyss when he made this head and the head was made for Abyss so its destruction has as far I know nothing to do with any lawsuit.
Maybe Matt M destroyed it due he was envy on Matt K's sculpting skills I do not know but thats what I think.
I consider it still as the best male face for a doll ever made, it looks bit like the comic book hero "Storm" from "Storm and Ember".
Maybe I like it so, because I have simular shaped jaw.

Mytime & Helen & Carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: N. poeticus on September 19, 2011, 03:09:35 PM
Matt K worked still for Matt M at Abyss when he made this head and the head was made for Abyss so its destruction has as far I know nothing to do with any lawsuit.
Maybe Matt M destroyed it due he was envy on Matt K's sculpting skills I do not know but thats what I think.

And that's why I asked, speculating isn't always good to do, I always try to ask questions first.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on September 19, 2011, 03:18:52 PM
Poeticus,

I remember Matt M. said that the face was far away from able to be a doll head, and that much more work was needed to make it one.
I think that "much more work" was not really "much more work" but only making a mold from it...
Any way maybe I was wrong with speculating in the second line of the previous post, but can you imagine that such words of Matt M., with respect for this dollmaker though, make me speculate?

Mytime & Helen & carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: N. poeticus on September 19, 2011, 03:34:52 PM
but can you imagine that such words of Matt M., with respect for this dollmaker though, make me speculate?

Sure, and the way Bronwen said the "Unfortunately" comment with the ellipsis on the end of it, made me think it had something to do with the court ruling, so I asked to make sure.  I just am always cautious with speculations or finding things suspect even, too.  I usually hold them privately or talk privately about them sometimes, but ask questions publically. 
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on September 19, 2011, 08:23:32 PM
It had nothing to do with the court ruling. Why would the court order Abyss to destroy a head they owned?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: roustabout on September 19, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
Matt has proven that he not only bounces back, he blows away his own past efforts in the process.
No doubt when we see the Sinthetics male doll, we will be asking ourselves if we are seeing a doll or a real person.  :o
 ;) :o :P :-* ^-^ ;) :P :-* :o ^-^ :-* :P :o ;D ;) ;D :o :-* ^-^ :P :o ;D ;) :o :P :o ;D ;) :-* :P :o 8) ;D ;) :o :-* :P 8) :o :D ;)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on September 20, 2011, 02:46:22 AM
Roust wrote
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Matt has proven that he not only bounces back, he blows away his own past efforts in the process.
No doubt when we see the Sinthetics male doll, we will be asking ourselves if we are seeing a doll or a real person.

Could be Roust.
IMO Let Sinthetics determine the right time for the male doll, I think with low salesnumbers the boys are not the big money makers.

Bronwen, Poet, I did vent some thoughts, about envy of Matt M. maybe that was not right I do not know, its only how I feel this.

Mytime & Helen & Carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: SimonDC on September 20, 2011, 03:39:07 AM
On the weight issue, I wonder if anyone has explored combining a doll hanger stand with a Segway personal transport device, adjusted for a slow-controlled speed?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: N. poeticus on September 20, 2011, 05:11:08 AM
It had nothing to do with the court ruling.

Thanks!

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Why would the court order Abyss to destroy a head they owned?

I asked because I didn't know anything other than that Matthew was his Maker until mytime chimed in.  Glad I asked, now I know, moving on.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: mytime on September 20, 2011, 11:53:32 AM
Happiness wrote:

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asked because I didn't know anything other than that Matthew was his Maker until mytime chimed in.  Glad I asked, now I know, moving on.

Yup sad story and beautifull head gone, better forget or try to sculpt simular head and use that. There are several beautifull male mannequins, brands like Rootstein have very good sculptors too and put out great stuff that can compete with our dolls. I've seen some with a head that comes close to Matt K's head, for private use one can cast such head and use that.

SimonDC wrote
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On the weight issue, I wonder if anyone has explored combining a doll hanger stand with a Segway personal transport device, adjusted for a slow-controlled speed?

I wonder how you would drive that! Although I'am in Europe and here are only few Segways I've driven segway this summer, its not very easy, a Segway is a nice way to transport yourself, but a handtruck is a lot easyer and more affordable to transport a doll ;).

Mytime & Helen & Carmen
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: SimonDC on September 21, 2011, 01:37:56 AM
SimonDC wrote
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On the weight issue, I wonder if anyone has explored combining a doll hanger stand with a Segway personal transport device, adjusted for a slow-controlled speed?

I wonder how you would drive that! Although I'am in Europe and here are only few Segways I've driven segway this summer, its not very easy, a Segway is a nice way to transport yourself, but a handtruck is a lot easyer and more affordable to transport a doll ;).

Mytime & Helen & Carmen

Good point, Mytime. 

Guess I had in mind a modified, power-assisted type of device (like direction toggle wheel chairs or a SegWay modified with a doll carry hook and user controls) that could help people move their heavy doll/manikin with less effort.  True, the hand-truck/dolly method is less expensive.

For people though with less upper body strength who want to move a male doll across an area, some power assist solution could help.

...of course, if modified SegWays open up an opportunity to have doll races at various meets, will probably need to start another thread.  ;)

Now lets segue back to the main topic:  Happiness is on a mission!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on October 08, 2011, 11:27:06 PM
 :-* :-* :-* Thank you SimonDC for that very smooth segway to get back on topic!

Mytime, the low-sale numbers for the male dolls is because there is no selection. There cannot be sales where there is no product. There is huge potential in this market for someone to make a male doll and market him to women. Most women still don't know these dolls actually exist. I only found out just over a year ago. I watched Lars and the Real
Girl and actually told my husband how great it would be if someone actually made dolls like that, not knowing that they've existed for years. Having talked to other women, the interest definitely exists. The issues are lack of selection, weight, and of course, cost. Marketing is easy. A woman doesn't need another sex toy. She needs a man that is completely and utterly there for her. When she is with him, she can completely be herself. She doesn't have to perform, or please, or live up to any expectations. He exists for her alone.
He will never cheat or lie, or hurt her in any way. She is beautiful to him, no matter what her weight, build, or age. Give her fantasy, playfulness, and freedom to be herself. Put it all in a gorgeous body with a fabulous face. Let her know that it's o.k. to want this, to have this. The orders will come.

I'm not sure that women will explode onto the doll forums. For many, their doll experiences will be too intimate and personal. Others will want to hop on and give every detail. I'm just hoping that we're moving in the right direction. I know a lot of women that could benefit from a male doll. Myself being one of them.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on October 10, 2011, 10:00:52 PM
:-* :-* :-* Thank you SimonDC for that very smooth segway to get back on topic!

... A woman doesn't need another sex toy. She needs a man that is completely and utterly there for her. When she is with him, she can completely be herself. She doesn't have to perform, or please, or live up to any expectations. He exists for her alone.
He will never cheat or lie, or hurt her in any way. She is beautiful to him, no matter what her weight, build, or age. Give her fantasy, playfulness, and freedom to be herself. Put it all in a gorgeous body with a fabulous face. Let her know that it's o.k. to want this, to have this. The orders will come. ..

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I make your words mine.
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on October 17, 2011, 02:03:45 AM
Gilda, thank you.  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on October 23, 2011, 07:51:54 AM
 :) I'm so excited!!!!!! Soon, very soon, Sinthetics will be unveiling their first male doll!!!!!!!  :o  ;D  :D
    I have good vibes...very good vibes....
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Curious Georgina on October 23, 2011, 11:11:22 PM
@happiness:
Same here. I was ecstatic when someone pointed out to me that Sinthetics had a new male doll in the works. Wonderful news, indeed!
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on October 24, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Curious Georgina, I am so happy you are here!!!! It's so nice to have so many people to share this with. Sinthetics has done a beautiful job with their female line.
I expect their male doll will be no less spectacular.   ;D

I've been so excited about Sinthetics upcoming male doll, but another manufacturer is also working on his first male doll. Titman of Maidlee  is developing a foam latex male that will be very light, and very affordable. We've never had a male doll in this range before, to my knowledge. His Maidlee is beautiful. If his male doll is equally so, he will be a wonderful option for those who cannot afford a Sinth. male, or those who cannot lift the weight. ( sigh ) Of course I'm going to have to get both the Sinthetic male and the Maidlee
male.

Where am I going to put all these dolls???? What a fabulous problem to have!  :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: GreyGull on October 24, 2011, 10:56:40 PM
Titman of Maidlee  is developing a foam latex male that will be very light, and very affordable. We've never had a male doll in this range before, to my knowledge. His Maidlee is beautiful. If his male doll is equally so, he will be a wonderful option for those who cannot afford a Sinth. male, or those who cannot lift the weight. ( sigh ) Of course I'm going to have to get both the Sinthetic male and the Maidlee
male.

Where am I going to put all these dolls???? What a fabulous problem to have!  :)

Wow!  Somehow i missed that!  Hooray for Titman (and in the future "PeckMan")  There was only one that i recall that would have fallen in this range, that was molded after porn star Dale Dabone.  He was stiff as a board, arms moved, but only at the shoulders.  Website went up with pics of the prototype, but that's about as far as they went with it. There main page states they are "under construction", which they seem to have been for the past 6-7 years or so.

http://www.playdollsxxx.com/main/daledoll_en.html

Really looking forward to seeing what Titman comes up with!  ;D

Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on October 25, 2011, 04:01:58 PM
Thanks for sharing that link GreyGull! I've never seen that sight.  The body and face are not actually that bad. The eyes are a little wide, and I don't like the hand position.
But otherwise, not too bad. Too bad it "petered" out.  :laugh: ( Yes, that was awful, my apologies.  :-[ ).

It's an exciting time for the male dolls!!!

HairyBearFL is still waiting on his Abyss male. There was a time, not long ago, when their male dolls shipped very quickly. I could be wrong, but perhaps more male dolls are being ordered now.

Finally we are going to have more than two bodies and three heads to choose from. And at least one of them will be light and in the mid price range.   :D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: HairyBearFL on November 05, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
HairyBearFL is still waiting on his Abyss male. There was a time, not long ago, when their male dolls shipped very quickly. I could be wrong, but perhaps more male dolls are being ordered now.

.... and waiting   ... and waiting   ;D
Actually, I don't know if it is related to the type of doll (male vs female) since Abyss responded that the delay was due to the response they had from the "summer special".  I ordered on the last day of the special (31JUL) but my order wasn't finalized until 15AUG so that is the date it entered into the queue and started it's 8-10 week lead time.  Abyss has been very kind in keeping me informed, and responded on 18OCT it would be a few more weeks.

I ordered the face B with body A so I know he will be a heavy man.....   Since this is my first doll purchase, I probably fall into the category you have all spoken about who "thinks" he will be able to manage.  Only time will tell.....   Hopefully the plans for the modified two wheel dolly will help with moving him around the house.  That is my plan.

I am also following closely the arrival of the Sinthetics male doll.....    I fully intend to make that my second doll purchase.  I'd put a deposit down today and "pre-order" based solely on the previous work of Matt K and the LD "Adam" doll if Sinthetics would open a "pre-order" option (hint hint  ;) )  I'd love to be able to hold my place in the production queue for when they are ready to start "building the boys!" 

I also have to agree with happiness that I think male customers would also appreciate a lighter doll option.  I would not like to see the weight reduction through a harder body or less movement of the joints.  I would like to see the weight reduction through reduced height.  I think I would be perfectly happy with a male doll in the 5'2"-5'6" range.    I personally don't want a slim doll, but if a thinner doll had some muscles and definition that might work.   As long as the the body and face look "mature" - not looking for too young of a look either.

I think I read on the Sinthetics site forum that they are planning to have body and face choices for the male dolls.  I can't wait to see what they reveal!  :)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: incred on November 05, 2011, 11:27:21 PM


  Hopefully the plans for the modified two wheel dolly will help with moving him around the house.  That is my plan.



A Doll Dollie is the best way to move a doll. Light, compact, and maneuverable. Try a wheel chair on stairs, or getting a doll out of a wheel chair.


(http://www.dollalbum.com/dollgallery/albums/userpics/10686/normal_Doll_Dollie__01b_.jpg)

(http://www.dollalbum.com/dollgallery/albums/userpics/10686/normal_Doll_Dollie__3b_.jpg)

(http://www.dollalbum.com/dollgallery/albums/userpics/10686/normal_Doll_Dollie__4b_.jpg)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on November 06, 2011, 06:17:26 AM
 :) HairyBear, I am so excited about your soon to arrive guy! You'll manage the weight just fine! And I'm right there
with you on the height and body type for a lighter male doll. The Doll Dollie is an awesome idea! Roust just ordered
a battery powered wench for a dolly he is modifying for me.  :D It's a busy time of the year for us, but I'm hoping we
can have the stand finished by the end of the month. We'll share pics when it's done.

Incred, those are great pics of the doll dollie! I love that it's a stand and transport all in one. It can go where a
standard stand and wheal chair can not. And with a little power,  ;D , the heavy weight lifting of the dolls can be minimized. 


Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on November 06, 2011, 07:56:08 AM
In looking for male faces I like, I found these: ( and the bodies aren't bad either!  :P )

 
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: B-Zilla on November 06, 2011, 10:44:33 AM
I'm guessing you liked "Captain America" Happ.  ;D

(http://www.thehunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/chris_evans_captain_america21.jpg)
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Gilda on November 06, 2011, 01:26:09 PM

Where am I going to put all these dolls???? What a fabulous problem to have!  :)

I wanna have this problem too  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: Bronwen on November 07, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
Happ, do you have the names of the models?
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on November 07, 2011, 11:17:10 PM
Bronwen, here are the names from top photo to bottom photo in my post: Steve Boyd, Mark Ricketson, Ryan Lewis, Julio Capeletti.
And not pictured, but extremely gorgeous, Michael David. I found these guys on a web search for 'gorgeous men'. Roust and I were
looking for faces we'd like to see on a male doll. This site called 'Gorgeous Men in Undies' came up at the top of the search, and there
are pages and pages of these beautiful men. I picked a few of my favorites.  ^-^

B-Zilla,  :) Yep!!! I didn't care for the movie, but Captain America can come by my house any time!

Gilda you may very well have that problem soon! It's near impossible to stop at just one!  :laugh:   :-*
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: GreyGull on November 08, 2011, 12:33:20 AM
In looking for male faces I like, I found these: ( and the bodies aren't bad either!  :P )

mmmmm!  Nummy!!  You have good taste girl!  Snaps for you!   ;D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on November 13, 2011, 10:56:09 PM
LOL!!!! GreyGull thank you!!!! That was a complement!  ^-^ :-*
I saw these guys and thought.....I don't care what taste a man or woman has, one of these walks into the room, and we're all
going to look!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Happiness is on a mission
Post by: happiness on November 20, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D Titman is beginning to develop his male doll already!!!!! I did not believe he would start so soon. Yay for us!  ^-^
And everyday, we get a little closer to the unveiling of the first male Sinthetics! And HairyBear will be receiving his male Real Doll
in just a few weeks. Ah, life is good!  :-*