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Title: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Ceej on June 14, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
Hello:)

I'll be the first to admit that I'm a lazy photographer, camera set to auto, and flash, Point and shoot, but there have been instances where I needed to use ambient light (no flash) but I never got satisfactory results, been quite frustrating really.
Sometime last week I was in chat and mentioned this.....a few minutes later Gren showed me this on Amazon. Thanks Gren for showing me this set of lights, they work very well.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/41CZ0qT85-L__SL500_.jpg)

its only $49 US, $65 Canadian. it seemed too good to be true, I read through all the comments and there were some negative ones as well as positive ones....I decided to take the gamble and order the set.
It arrived a few days ago and I took some preliminary shots...its much better than just using ambient light, but I still have a lot to learn, positioning etc.


Here are a few shots comparing different lighting,

I did not set the camera's white balance for these shots though I will try that in the future, this is a shot with the studio lights no post colour balancing:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9008rs.JPG)

The same shot after adjusting the colours a bit with photoshop:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9008ras.JPG)

and the same shot using the studio lights with the camera's flash, no post colour adjustments:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9009rs.JPG)

And here's a long shot showing Sandy hard at work in our new studio:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9011rs.JPG)

you may notice that lights have a back reflector, I made these up using a cheap bowl from the dollar store. they do help direct more light through the umbrella and make a noticeable improvement.
They can be set up such the light reflects off the umbrella instead of shining through, but set up this way less light shines on the subject than letting the light shine through the umbrella.
In certain instances I may end up using both the lights and the flash. The brilliance of the sequin dress seems to shine best this way. I also want to comment that using the studio lights or studio lights and flash, the colours of the dress show up more accurately, the way they appear when you see Sandy in it in person!



After this test shot we tried another few pix. again I used the camera's auto white balance and post colour processing.
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9000rs.JPG)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9002rs.JPG)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9004rs.JPG)
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: mannequindisplay on June 14, 2014, 02:45:47 PM
I have two flashes as I will set one somewhere on a little base for back light sometimes and I have a umbrella as well .. I was thinking on getting a second one so I can have another on the other side of my subject and will get no shadow at all on my subject :)   limited space in a Condo to set them up  :)   Her dress lights up more then just using ambient lighting

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3893/14406102625_08dba20feb_h.jpg)


 
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: grenouille on June 14, 2014, 02:49:41 PM
It looks fabulous Ceej !

Colours pop and shines and sandy too  :thumb:

I can see more contrast and definition to your pictures already  :thumb:

That kit rocks



Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: incred on June 14, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
What really makes the difference is the color of the light. Full spectrum bulbs are around 5200K in color. I use 23watt florescent bulbs 5000K in color.

I think your best picture is the one with the lights in it. Sandy has the best skin color in that pic. How or where you position the lights will make a difference in the colors, shadows, and brightness.

Another thing to play with is the +/- button. That will make the picture lighter or darker. (respectively)
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: Ceej on June 14, 2014, 04:05:36 PM
Thanks for the compliments and tips guys :)
Advice is always welcome :)

Inced, the kit comes with 5200K lights and maybe that's why there is a slight bluish look vs the 5000k lights you use. atleast I can work with this. Next I'll try the manual white balance.
I might also try a set of 5000k lights to see if that helps too. May I ask, how many lights you use when you do a photo set?

I'll admit I do have to learn a lot about how to best position the lights. and I'll have to look for a +/- button, cause that would sure help.

I looked though some old camera equipment I got when I was young and found a remote flash that screws into a light socket. so I might also experiment with that on one of the umbrellas.
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: incred on June 14, 2014, 04:56:30 PM
Here are a couple pics showing different light, or how light position effects the picture.

This one is just natural light coming through the window with sheer drapes, and indirect sun light;

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Chamber-Maid/Maid%20%2888b%29.jpg?m=1402776151)

with the light through the sheers the light is defused, so you don't get harsh shadows, and even though it was sunny the sun wasn't shining through to make the light intense. That is why the light looks more blue.

This next one I added a light to the front and side. Actually it is one light that I moved from the front to the side while the picture was being exposed. I set the camera on a tripod, and the exposure is about 1/2 - 1 second long.

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Chamber-Maid/Maid%20%2889b%29.jpg?m=1402776151)

This still has the natural light at her rear, but as the bulb light moves around it will light the rest of her body but not make hard shadows. However this will also mean you loose some definition. It will make her butt look flat.

I solved this in the last picture by keeping the bulb light more on the side, and higher so a shadow will show in her butt cleavage, and under butt  :drool: :thumb:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Chamber-Maid/Maid%20%2890b%29.jpg?m=1402457715)

The number of lights depends on what you are looking for. I know it isn't much help, but the look and situation changes the lighting positions, and number.

In the above pics there are two light sources. The natural light and one clamp light.

In this next pic I used one light, but I used a shade, with a 3-4 inch hole, held a few inches away to make a soft spotlight.
I think you can see the effect I was going for  ;)

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Caught/Caught%2004b.jpg?m=1331771019)

Sometimes I use a light just for the background, this way the there are less of a shadow on the wall with the lights from the front, or sides. Dottie is close to the wall, but with a light to her back facing the wall it moved the shadow to her front, but I also "waved" a light to her right side to make soft shadows, and to make shadows in the right places (cleavage)  :thumb:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Pilot-Dottie/Pilot%20Dottie%20%2823b%29.jpg?m=1382325443)

This is what happens when you don't. See the modifier shadow on the wall:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Ceilidh%27s-7th-Birthday/DSC_0030b.jpg?m=1350446567)

Sometimes I want a shadow so you have to either take the modifier out, or hide it  :whistle:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Dollie-Sutra/Dollie%20Sutra%20%2894%29b.jpg?m=1332032550)

Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: Ceej on June 14, 2014, 05:14:02 PM
Thanks Incred:)

I'll have to try some of those ideas. often I cant get Sandy's bum to look as good on photos, and what you say makes sense.
As you show, every situation is unique.
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: Camp on June 14, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Prepare for more !!!...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2xG23x2PeNM/TlKQrBMsr5I/AAAAAAAAA94/5ox1itB6RQo/s1600/spam.jpg)
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: life-is-plastic on June 16, 2014, 05:01:09 AM
Just a suggestion Ceej: consider lining those bowls you added with alu-foil; that way even more light will be thrown into your umbrellas, plus you might even be able to use them as standard reflectors without umbrellas for more directional light (harder shadows).
Title: Re: Sandy now has a more professional studio to work in.
Post by: Ceej on June 16, 2014, 05:34:24 AM
Thanks. That's not a bad idea! :)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Ceej on June 16, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
Part 2! With the kindly advice that I have been able to try today I have much better results.
Life-is-plastic, I haven't yet had the time to alter the bowls, but I intend to and thanks for the suggestion.

Ok  This time other than resizing, cropping, and the "CJD" stamp, there is NO post production, no colour changes! no brightness/contrast/exposure changes!
This time I used the camera's manual white balance instead of the auto white balance. Upon the advice from the photo store, I used an 18% grey card to set it.
Also I found Incred's kewl little +- button on my camera. Thanks Incred for introducing it to me! I'll be using it all the time now when ever I use the studio lights.
I set up the studio in the den where there is more room to space the lights out further and vary their placements, which helped greatly.

Though I still have a lot to figure out about light positioning I think I'm off to a good start.
For a "base setting" I placed the main light High and to Sandy's right. another was placed to her left, lower and further away from her than the main light. the accent light was placed low and far, slightly off center to Sandy's right, except for 2 photos where it was placed to Sandy's far right and low. I placed it as far away as I could, but it was still too close as its glare washes over the image in the 2 photos.

Ok to the photos, the first 3 show the same photo. first is with the studio lights and flash ( the flash over powers the lights ), the second is with the studio lights only and AWB as in my previous set, and the third is with the studio lights and using the manual white balance.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/001%20flash.jpg)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/001%20awb.jpg)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/001%20mwb.jpg)



The next 5 are all photos taken with Sandy in various outfits, using the studio lights and using manual white balance:

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/002%20n2.jpg)
This one I used the image where I set the +- to minus 2 clicks.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/003%20n1.jpg)
+- button set to minus 1 click.   IMHO best colours on that dress yet!

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/004%20%200.jpg)
+- button not adjusted. accent light placed to reveal the "See thoroughness" of her dress.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/005%20n2.jpg)
+- button set minus 2 clicks. again accent light set as in the previous photo.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/006a%20%200.jpg)
+- button not adjusted. IMHO skin tones turned out beautiful!


Next thing I need to try is to lock the shutter speed at a faster rate, so long as the aperture can open up more. because even on the tripod (not the strongest of tripods) and hands off the camera, (shutter set on a timer) some photos came out blurrier than others.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: litlluvr on June 16, 2014, 04:46:59 PM
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/001%20mwb.jpg)

That one came out really good Ceej! Nice skintone and the colors come out nicely
on Sandy's dress.

Keep up the great work!

litlluvr, Yoshe, Amiko, Marla, and Michiko.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Ceej on June 16, 2014, 05:08:17 PM
Thank-you LL :)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Polaroid on June 17, 2014, 03:50:45 AM
what is the amazon link ? Forgive me if it is posted and I just missed it. :-[
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Ceej on June 17, 2014, 05:46:27 AM
Sorry, I never did post it.

here it is for US customers: http://www.amazon.com/LimoStudio-Photography-Portrait-Umbrella-Continuous-Lighting/dp/B005FHZ2SI/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1402185786&sr=1-1#productDetails (http://www.amazon.com/LimoStudio-Photography-Portrait-Umbrella-Continuous-Lighting/dp/B005FHZ2SI/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1402185786&sr=1-1#productDetails)

and here for Canadian customers: http://www.amazon.ca/Cowboystudio-Photography-Umbrella-Continuous-Lighting/dp/B003WLY24O/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1402274153&sr=8-25&keywords=light+umbrella (http://www.amazon.ca/Cowboystudio-Photography-Umbrella-Continuous-Lighting/dp/B003WLY24O/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1402274153&sr=8-25&keywords=light+umbrella)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: noquiexis on June 17, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
Ceej,

     Nice work! Your pictures have always been good. With a model like Sandy, how could they be otherwise?  ;)  The best way to get good with any art form or equipment is practice, practice, practice!

     More tools give you a wider range of options, but it always comes down to the basics: dressing the set, grooming and posing the model, 'painting' the scene with light. It is easy to get frustrated when you see others producing pictures better than your own (at least for me), but do not let this dissuade you from plugging away at it. I am most critical of my own work, but others still seem to like the results. I have been getting rather lazy as of late, resorting to simple 'point and shoot', as opposed to doing 'real' photography. I need to 'get back in the game' and put more effort into my photo sessions.

     My umbrellas are over thirty years old, and are showing signs of wear. It is time for me to upgrade to newer equipment, too. I was holding out for a greenscreen kit (at $100 more than this one), but I am going to order this set instead. Thank you!  :thumb:

:police: :angel: O0
The Mod Squad (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062589/)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Ceej on June 17, 2014, 08:34:42 PM
Thanks Noq:) I apreciate the nice feedback :)
"More tools gives you more options" is exactly it!

If you decide to order a kit,
Read the reviews in their listings first...there are some good ones and not so good ones.some folks have had problems, but many were resolved right away by the seller.
When I got mine, one of the 3 bulbs didn't work. I phoned the seller and they promptly sent me a replacement free.
Knowing ahead of time that I might have to get a replacement bulb or something like that was a bit of a deterrent but the process was fast
and overall still worth the $$ in the end.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. part 2 added!
Post by: Ceej on June 19, 2014, 06:37:01 PM
Ok I played around a bit more.  I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna need a much more solid tripod....cause even with the "eyeris" at full open some images are still blurry. and I use the time release shutter so I'm not touching the camera at all when the photo is taken.....hmmmm I just realized as I type this I never played with the ISO setting.  :whistle:  Oh well..  I just played around a bit with colour and the accent light, learning how it's position affects things....Sorry, no fancy poses, just playing around.

just playing around with colour:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Trio%20s.jpg)

A fun strip tease, accent light at a distance and to the left but not far left:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9093s.JPG)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9103s.JPG)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9112s.JPG)
This one produced a nice soft image, though I think it would have been better had I placed the light on the right a bit closer.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9119s.JPG)
Here the accent light is far to the left. and produced a nice highlight. though the camera should have been moved to avoid the accent lights wash effect.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9123s.JPG)
here the only change is the accent light is almost under the camera. her goodies show more, but the overall effect flattens the image. so I prefer the previous.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: incred on June 19, 2014, 11:58:42 PM
Sandy is looking good Ceej  :drool:

Don't be afraid to put some light on her smiling face. Nice to see a twinkle in her eye  :thumb:
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: muzza on June 20, 2014, 07:04:56 PM
Looking Good Ceej.
The things we do eh ...
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: Ceej on June 21, 2014, 03:17:46 AM
Thank-you guys:)

I'm still learning :P

Incred, I like your suggestion but I'm not sure how to get the twinkle in her eye without concentrating too much light on her upper body? I find that by bringing the lights close to her, some parts are over exposed.
Any ideas?

Also, I did some experimenting to try different ISO settings....and I find after ISO 200 I'm not happy with the graininess. I did however, discover that changing the ISO (and nothing else) did not change that some pix come out blurry.... :whistle:............So, as a last resort before getting a different tripod, I tried the manual focus and took a handful of pix (same position, etc) and all turned out consistant and reasonably focused.  I was very apprehensive about using the manual focus because my distance vision isn't so great. I know the camera's eyepiece has an adjustment to compensate for that but I'm still not confident with that....so what I tried when I did my experimenting was to set the frame how I want, then tilt the camera to put the face in the center of the viewfinder, use the auto focus on the face, and make sure the focus is good, then lock the focus by switching to manual, then tilt the camera back and take some shots.   If that makes any sense, it seems to give me consistant results.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: life-is-plastic on June 21, 2014, 04:31:01 AM
Ceej, that last way you focus is a smart move, as modern slr cameras don't really have the screen (inside the viewfinder) for proper manual focusing. You can use that point-to-focus-and-re-position way of working also when shooting hand-held: point the central  AF-point in your viewfinder (btw: central AF-point is often the most sensitive) on the point you want to have in focus, half press your shutter and keep it that way, and with still the shutter pressed half-way re-compose your image and then press the shutter all the way. 
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: belshanar on June 21, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
I'm not sure how to get the twinkle in her eye without concentrating too much light on her upper body?

What I do to get these eye catches is to use a Desk Lamp (http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Harbor-TL-TB-170-BK3L-Flexible-Black/dp/B002SDNSF6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403361246&sr=8-3&keywords=desk+lamp). Not this one specifically, but this sort of thing. Also, what you could do is use a Mini-Mag (http://www.amazon.com/MAGLITE-M2A01C-Maglite-Flashlight-Combo/dp/B0000AS1G5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403361351&sr=8-1&keywords=mini+maglite) type flashlight. It will have a relatively narrow field of focus for the light it produces, and will not be so bright as to alter your exposure and light composition.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: incred on June 21, 2014, 11:53:14 AM
I have use flashlights before too. but it can also be yellow in color because of the whiteness, and LED lights are blue.

A simple way is to wave the light across her face, or bring it from one side and go back, or switch the light on, and off.
It's good to have light on her face.

Another thing is the monitor that you use to edit the pictures. With my pictures the monitor I use is a Sony Xtra Bright so to me they look okay, but on other screens they look dark, so I have to compensate.

Seeing your latest pics her body is well lit, but you need a bit more form higher up. Her hair is blending into the background.
Of course the  :redhead: wig helps  ;D
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. Third installation.
Post by: Ceej on June 21, 2014, 01:24:54 PM
I just finished taking a few more "formal pix" and I think I solved the irregular blurrieness problem Ive been having...looks like when I lock the focus, it works :)

I took about 3 dozen pix and they were all nice and focused :)


here are a few:

I managed to get some twinkle in her eye here:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9180s.JPG)

a few shots, each with accent light placed a bit differently:
(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9194s.JPG)

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9201s.JPG)
Out of this set this is my fave, IMHO the light is well balanced and nothing is over lit
I also like how the light on her right boobie highlights it.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9203s.JPG)
This one IMHO is either just a bit over exposed or a bit too much light on Sandy's upper body.



I appreciate all the advice and compliments. they do help :)
The flashlight idea is a neat one!
The wig she wore on that last shoot was an especially dark one...
I suppose I could have used a different background or a different wig. In this set her hair is a bit lighter and doesn't blend so much into the background.

I think I'm well on my way to getting decent results that I'm happy with! :)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 21, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
When I took the Mob pictures I was planning to cut the girls out and put them in another black background so I wasn't to worried about it except that I wanted them to stand out from the background. I put a clamp light on the stand behind the doll, this helped separate the doll from the backdrop. At the time I didn't have black cloth, but I did have black shower curtains which is why it looks like plastic  ;D
Also there is a light shining down on her head to help separate her hair.

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/DSC_0061a.jpg)

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Mob%20%2845%29a.jpg)

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Mob%20%2854%29a.jpg)

That's a lot of black.

Platinum blonde is a bit easier, or a white blouse;

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/DSC_0078a.JPG)

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/DSC_0076a.jpg)


Your last two pics are both excellent. Your fav is also mine,but the brighter one is right there too. Some people like the pic a bit dark for more artsy look, most peeps just want to see the doll and brighter is better  :whistle:
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 21, 2014, 02:24:06 PM
In this pic I used the garage lights which are halogens. They give off a yellow light which I had to compensate for in Photoshop. It is a bit tricky when there is yellow in the pic that you want to keep, sometimes it makes her skin look pale. you can see the lights reflected in the tank.

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Biker-Babe/Biker%20%2805%29a.JPG?m=1333156388)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 21, 2014, 03:22:38 PM
Focus is something to watch out for. I can change where the focal point is in my camera, but sometimes it is not in the right place for picking up the light source, I explain that next. So I do what you did. I auto focus on the area I want sharp then set it to manual focus to lock it in. If your camera only focuses from the center then your best to focus that way. Bringing the F stop out to a higher number will also increase your depth of field, or bring more into focus, and the lower the F stop will make it tighter.

Now back to the light source. Your focal point is also where the light meter is. If the light source is in back of the subject, or the more intense light is not where you want to focus then have to do several things. In this next pic to compensate for the outside light first lower the F stop. I know letting more light in, what the F stop  ;D, but the focus is on her front and face, which is dark. Remember when you focus on the dark area the focus area is also the where the light meter is, but with the intense light at her back, shining in the lens it will make her dark. By letting more light in the background it will be wiped out, but the dark area will be brighter. You will have to have to play with the +/- button to lighten it up.
 With the focus in the center you will have to focus in on her face to lock the focus, then move back to get your subject in the picture. Notice the curtain is out of focus because of the narrow depth of field;

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Pose-Me/Model%20Pictures%20%2822b%29.jpg?m=1333242849)

Now you could do a couple of other things to compensate for the back light. I do have a light at her front, but it wouldn't be enough to fully compensate. A stronger light would , but another trick is to fool the meter by placing your hand over the lens just covering the strong light. This will make the camera think it need more light, or get the light from your focused, dark area.

If you don't compensate enough you get artsy  :whistle:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Pose-Me/Model%20Pictures%20%2831b%29.jpg?m=1333242851)


Don't a afraid of the light. People want to see her smiling face, and a few other things  :drool:

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Pose-Me/Model%20Pictures%20%2855b%29.jpg?m=1333242981)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Camp on June 21, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
You had me at...

(http://www.ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/DSC_0078a.JPG)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 21, 2014, 08:17:28 PM
She looks gooooooood on Ceilidh's body  :thumb: Only better as a  :redhead:
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Ceej on June 21, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
Thanks Incred that's a lot to digest but I do appreciate it and am taking notes.

A few things,
I can set how the camera's auto focus works but if I play with too many things at once I'll go over my head and forget things.
I think I have 3 ways to chose how the auto focus works, I also have 3 ways in which the light meter asses the light.
I'm not afraid of the light so much but I really like how the lower light photos show the subtle contours, I find with too much light
those details are washed out and my model looks "flatter".

Beautiful pix by the way :)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 22, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
It is all about trial and error, or I should experimenting. When I first set up the camera I have the settings at ISO 100, F11, and the exposure auto sets at 1/2 sec. I set the white balance to Auto to see where to go from there. The first picture looked too blue so I switched the white balance to the temperature scale. I remembered you didn't have that feature, but you should have modes for bright sun or shade, and so on. Try and experimenting with those too. They will give you different intensity of colors and light.

Back to the Kelvin scale, light is measured in degrees Kelvin. When I took the pic in K mode it was 4800K and made the pic too red;

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/Star%20Bikini%20%2801b%29.jpg?m=1403479358)

I also didn't realize at the time but the exposure compensation was at -7 which makes it under exposed. After playing with the temp color I brought it down to 4200K which makes it bluer. Then I want to 'Bracket' the pictures by taking three pics at -3, 0, +3. That is when I found it at -7  :whistle:
This changes the exposure time to 1 second at +3.
-3
(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/DSC_0039.JPG?m=1403475749)

0
(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/DSC_0038.JPG?m=1403475746)

+3
(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/DSC_0037.JPG?m=1403475746)

Not a lot of difference, but since she is at the beach the +3 will look more correct as in bright sun.


Lets get back to lighting the set. This is how I set up the lights for a beach set;

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/Star%20Bikini%20%2817b%29.jpg?m=1403475726)

Pardon the mess, the things you see outside camera range  :whistle:

Notice where the tripod is.
All the lights are daylight bulbs or 5000K. Starting on the far right that light is lighting the back ground and her back. The three lights over the bar help but they aren't directed at Myffy. The two lights over her head add light, but are about 50 watts combined. The two clamp lights to her right front is where I want the sun to be, and the last one is a filler light set back a bit.
The clamp lights also have two types of bulbs. The two on the right are 23 watt flood lights (120w equivalent) They put out a more diffused light, but not as good as an umbrella.  The two clamp lights on the left are 23 watt CFLs (120w equivalent). They use the the reflector to focus the light to make it more focused. So basically I wanted the sun to be on her right and up high, and the others are to flood the area.

So you end up with

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/Star-Spangled-Bkini/Star%20Bikini%20%2839b%29.jpg?m=1403478027)

Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Ceej on June 22, 2014, 10:27:11 PM
Great picture :)

You sure have a lot of lights and they work well. Michaelangelo had a set of lights, 2 of them on stands, very similar to your CFL clamp lights on the left. He liked those better than umbrellas. he found umbrella lights were too diffuse for his tastes.
That's quite a change in colours from your first pic to the other.
Your right, I have a handful of pre-set white balances. for different lighting conditions like cloudy days, sunlight, tungsten, fluorescent lighting etc.
I did tinker with those a bit but nothing beats the 18% grey card manual white balance..Nothing else I have tried gives me colours as pleasant.

Its re-assuring to know that someone with your experience does experiment still. Means I'm on the right track.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: noquiexis on June 23, 2014, 12:13:02 AM
     One thing to remember when attempting to simulate an outdoor scene inside is this: Even with bright sunlight and hard shadows, there is always some amount of diffuse light bouncing around all over the atmosphere and off of every surface in sight, including the ground.

     The light-colored drop cloth that Incred has laid down does a good job of simulating light-colored sand on a real beach. If your shooting location has a dark floor, a simple light-colored bed sheet can bounce up a lot of light. The extra lights in the room, including the regular room lights, help to provide some of this diffuse light. If your room has a white or light-colored ceiling, aim a light or two to bounce light off of this. Cheap clamp lights can be mounted on drawers, cabinet doors, or the backs of dining room chairs. Light stands are much like camera tripods, but more lightweight and a lot cheaper.

     As in Incred's example, light from one area should be brighter (more powerful) than the rest to simulate the sun. If you have enough lights, you can also group them into this one area, rather than having just one high-powered light there. Try to use the same type and color of light sources in all of your studio lights. When using florescent bulbs, give them a minute to warm up to their operating color temperature.

    In almost all of Karl Taylor's (http://www.karltaylorphotography.com/blog/) videos, he also uses a reflector to bounce light back into the scene. This reflector should be as close as possible to the model, but remain off-camera. Simple and inexpensive sets of reflectors can be the large pieces of white cardboard available in most general stores. If you get the three-sided free-standing pieces that kids use for school projects, they can be placed on the floor or a table top. Flat bedsheets or cheap, paper tablecovers can be tacked or taped to the walls, or draped over furniture. Most printed vinyl tablecovers are still white on the back side.

     Energy-conscious people may want to plug groups of lights into power strips that can turn them all on and off during changes in the scene. A low watt 'modeling' light, like those used to aim flash systems, can be left on during the entire shoot. Turning off your camera at this time will also save some of the battery life.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Ceej on June 23, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
Ahh, some good points Noq, that might very well explain why Sandy's legs (lower half of her body) was so hard to light.

For now I'm having fun with the stark black sheet. but I'll definilty remember a more reflective surrounding for photos I want to insert Sandy in.
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: incred on June 23, 2014, 08:42:50 PM
Black against black is still not to difficult. Just add a light to her head, and one for the background, or one light for both.

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/DollStock-2013/Dollstock%202013%20%2820b%29.jpg?m=1384656261)

(http://incredidoll.com/gallery3/var/albums/DollStock-2013/Dollstock%202013%20%2835b%29.jpg?m=1385515651)
Title: Re: Sandy's profesional studio. New pix again!!!!
Post by: Ceej on June 23, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
This is similar to how I have set the lights up for most of my new shoots.
I have the lights set like this only a mirror image and the lights are further out, just out of view. So the light shining on her face is on the right, and the light on the left is just a bit lower...and some photos the accent light is far to the left.

(http://ourdollcommunity.com/gallery/albums/userpics/IMG_9011rs.JPG)


I see how your suggestion is an improvement for Black on black...Thanks its a good idea :)