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Question from Davecat
« on: May 29, 2019, 09:13:45 PM »
     Davecat (Twitter, Shouting to hear the echoes blog, ODC profile) is considered by many to be the Doll Ambassador due to him having given many interviews. He is not averse to appearing on camera, and is quite public about his love for artificial women.

     He recently asked me about doll owners' reactions to being public about the hobby. With his permission, I post his question and my reply.

     Davecat wrote, "Speaking of iDollator culture, here's a question for you: why do you think most iDollators are averse to having more of a public presence, in the context of the culture, not necessarily as individuals? Personally, most of the things I'm keen on lean towards the obscure, as I feel that those interests are more 'mine' if fewer people know of them, but the one thing I would love to see become a mainstream thing would be iDollator/robosexual culture. If there are more of us that let traditional society know there's nothing wrong with the partners we choose, perhaps more people would be open to joining our ranks. I realise that's being far too optimistic about human nature overall, but I'm allowed five minutes of optimism every month, so there's that sorted."

My reply:

     While most doll owners think of real women as 'people', I believe that in the back of their minds, they still think of dolls as sex objects. Most bought dolls for sex, but realized later that they are much more than that. Since they associate dolls with sex, they expect the general public to do the same. I believe this is an error (paranoia), and that belief exists only in the minds of doll owners. We are mistakenly taught that sex is something dirty or sinful, which is wrong on both counts. Sex is a requirement for the continuation of our species. Anybody's god who believes sex to be sinful only has himself to blame, since that god designed the system.
 
     Some doll owners have stated that they believe family, friends, neighbors, and employers would think less of them, disown them, or fire them if these people knew that they have a doll at home. They do not know this for sure, but they think it to be true. My thought is that what I do in the privacy of my home is my business, not theirs. If they cannot accept me for who I truly am, then they are not worth my time.

     Some people say "doll", "manikin", "love doll" and call themselves a "doll lover". "Sex doll" and the even worse "fuck doll" or "doll fucker" is self-debasing language. People who think that of dolls or themselves must perceive that the general public would do the same. No married person thinks of his wife (or her husband) as a "fuck woman" (or "fuck man"). If they did, they would not stay married for long!
 
     Popular fiction, including television and movies, has been preparing the public conscious to accept dolls, robots, and cyborgs for decades, if not centuries. Many doll owners have artificial plants and artificial animals, some of which are quite realistic. Why do they draw the line at artificial humans? They may have paintings and sculptures of women or men, but still have a problem with rubber sculptures of humans. My motto is: "We do not objectify women. We personify dolls!"
 
     You, I, and folks like us see dolls for the beautiful works of art that they are. To some degree, we associate them with living people, the same as those paintings and sculptures. We are not "lonely, horny old men", so it would not be impossible for any of us the form romantic relationships with women. We simply choose not to do so. Many women choose not to marry, whether or not they date anyone. Either they choose career over family, or they do not want to burden themselves with another human. Some single men and some single women foster or adopt children, and that is enough for them. A lot of people have living animals as pets, and think of those pets as though they are family.
 
     With your permission, I would like to post your question and my reply (above) on the forums. People fear what they do not know, or what they perceive to be true. Education is the only defense against fear.

Follow-up email to Davecat,

      I am too much within myself - I prefer time spent alone.
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     Sex is not a big thing for me. I 'tried' all of the dolls I have owned, but found sex with them to be more work that it was worth. I still enjoy the companionship, and I do give Feodora an occasional hug and kiss. Most of the time she is just 'room decoration'. It will not bother her if she is ignored for days at a time. I never change her clothes except for a photo shoot. She has been wearing the same pantyhose for years. (I never take them off of her.) I do change her brassiere occasionally (she has four colors) to match her dress or top.
 
     Feodora stands next to 'my' computer (picture from 9/3/2017) all the time except for photo shoots. ("Feodora's computer" picture). Anyone who comes to the apartment will see her. It is a testament to the Camp / incred doll stand that she is on it almost always.



Davecat responded,

"  Thanks for the answers you'd provided! All of the points you'd mentioned are ones that I'm (all too) aware of, but I was asking you to see if there's any perspective I may have missed. It goes without saying that you can totally post my question on ODC, of course! I need to pop in and see the responses! I need to pop in, in general...

  Like you, I prefer to be alone 90% of the time. Unlike you, I'm quite keen on sex. :-) With a Doll, and in the future, with a Gynoid, I'm able to enjoy both aspects of life — wonderful, fulfilling lovemaking, as well as being alone whenever the urge strikes me. Frankly, it's the best of both worlds, and it's mindboggling why more people aren't iDollators/robosexuals! But we've covered that.
"

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2019, 06:15:26 PM »
I've met Davecat, and he's a cool guy. What struck me from Davecat's reply:
"Like you, I prefer to be alone 90% of the time. Unlike you, I'm quite keen on sex. :-) With a Doll, and in the future, with a Gynoid, I'm able to enjoy both aspects of life — wonderful, fulfilling lovemaking, as well as being alone whenever the urge strikes me. Frankly, it's the best of both worlds, and it's mindboggling why more people aren't iDollators/robosexuals! But we've covered that."

He nailed it. This is why dolls make men's lives better. The constant nagging urge to have sex many of us have can now be controlled without involving a female. The freedom from that constant agony is quite liberating indeed. Bring on those gynoids!  :evil:

What struck me from noquiexis' post was:
" Some people say "doll", "manikin", "love doll" and call themselves a "doll lover". "Sex doll" and the even worse "fuck doll" or "doll fucker" is self-debasing language. People who think that of dolls or themselves must perceive that the general public would do the same. No married person thinks of his wife (or her husband) as a "fuck woman" (or "fuck man"). If they did, they would not stay married for long!"

Ouch. I've said before and I'll say again, I'm a doll fucker. That's the long and short of it. And if you've ever ONCE fucked a doll, guess what you are? Why deny the facts? I consider it being honest. BTW, my 2nd ex-wife was only good for one thing: sex. She proved woefully inept at every other useful skill in life. Looking back, I think she might have been a "fuck woman."  :laugh:

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 03:13:03 PM »
     I would like others to express their opinions on the subject.
Do you think life-sized dolls will ever become mainstream?
Do you think dolls are tolerated or accepted? If not, why do you think they are not?
For those who are married (or have girlfriends / boyfriends), how does your partner react to your dolls?

     Doll owners are clearly a minority group. Every minority group in history had to have people assert themselves to gain tolerance, even to the point of having laws passed.

     I would like those who do take their dolls out in public to give their insights and opinions. I do not promote taking doll out in public just to be seen with them. Some photo shoots work better on location than in-studio. Some effects would be difficult to recreate in-studio. In many of my own pictures, the location is the subject. Feodora is there to add 'human interest'.

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 08:26:18 AM »
About Smoke's Togetherness theme:

     Many doll owners are reluctant to take their dolls out in public. They fear what people will think of them, and what repercussions might ensue. Most people on these forums do not know your real name, where you live, or where you are employed. If your family, friends, or employers browse these forums, ask them what they were doing here! If any of these people have been where you live, and have seen your pictures, then they already know you by your furniture and living space.

     The fact that you are here at all is an indication that you want to share your doll experience with like-minded people. Attending doll meets is an example of people wanting to have face-to-face get-togethers with other doll owners. Showing your face here with your dolls, in the relative anonymity of the World Wide Web, does not take courage. It takes a change of mindset.

     Dolls will never go mainstream as long as doll owners themselves see something wrong with owning them. A lot of us remember when mannequins were commonplace in clothing stores. Did you ever question their existence, the store that used them, or the people who dressed them?

     Every raging river started out as rain or melting snow. Bringing dolls into the light will take time. Davecat, and others like him, see the normality of owning dolls. They are a big part of our lives. My daughters, their husbands, and their children think nothing of Feodora. They just see her as part of the furniture. When the maintenance men come into the apartment, they either ignore her, or ask about her just to make 'small talk' while they are working. None of these people think I run around wearing a tinfoil hat and a crazed expression. They know me for who I am.

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »
     It has been three months since I originally posted this topic, and only one person has replied. Does no one else have an opinion? I know there are others here who do take dolls outside, even if it is to a secluded spot. What do you honestly think would happen if anybody saw your dolls? Do you think they would even care?


Patio of the apartment building where I live


Toledo Botanical Gardens


Toledo Botanical Gardens


Portside by the Maumee River
Downtown Toledo, Ohio

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Feodora is an Anatomical Doll, Face 3 Body 3 Set 2 Set 3 Set 4

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2019, 10:03:35 PM »

I had a recent exchange with a friend that I consider to be a typical perception of a doll owner...

He recently got a divorce - not a very outgoing person and after 20+ years of marriage, I don't perceive him as being in tune with today's world of dating - nor am I for that matter.

He sent me a lengthy Email about his new found loneliness and intentions of finding another woman.  He also mentioned what a strange new world it would be.

My response was "the mere notion of dealing with the head games, hormones and mood swings," it exhausts me just thinking about it.

I then included a link to the Real Doll website.

He did not respond but he sent another Email 2-3 weeks later voicing frustration about the dating world.  I mentioned there is an alternative and can't help but be fascinated by the realism in the dolls available today - they are not good conversationalists, don't cook or clean and might be a little cold, but on the other hand, they are beautiful, stay beautiful, never say no and don't get fat.

His response included how he would consider anyone who owned dolls to have a serious problem.

I believe this viewpoint is commonplace in society and a good reminder to me that it's best to keep all this private.

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2019, 10:50:33 PM »
oleesheetmon,

     Most doll manufacturer and vendor websites are a jarring introduction to the world of dolls. To the uninitiated, the nude pictures present the look and feel of pornography. While some people enjoy that sort of thing, others may be put off by it.

     One of the things that Davecat mentioned was the lack of a gentler introduction. He said that his Twitter friends wished that they could find such a place on the internet. Perhaps it would be better to include pictures of properly dressed dolls in an email, rather than a maker's website link.

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Trixie and Dixie are Private Secretary inflatable dolls.
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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2019, 01:27:12 AM »
Noq, my apologies, I should’ve posted here sooner,
 it kind of upsets me how outsiders can treat us doll owners and so called judge us.
I wonder if most of the haters have had a stuffed animal or favorite toy to comfort them ?

You never know what someone’s been through in their life to make them who they are,
Would you blame someone who’s been in a really bad car accident three times to never want to get into a vehicle again?

I totally agree with Davecat, I am obviously at the point where I totally care less who knows
All my friends and family know, mom knows, they still love me, I have my dolls on instagram, utube, of course a few meets now, I have no issues taking them in public, I believe having them dressed nicely, appropriately in public and online places like utube and instagram will help them be more accepted, maybe I’ll be one that helps dolls become more accepted :whistle:
Im planning to take pictures on a real beach no photoshop  ;D
I’ve had Delilah, Zhen and Snow riding in the front of my jeep at different times, nobody usually notices but a few times when stopped people did, one homeless guy was asking Zhen for a dollar while parked at Walgreens  :laugh: true story! Another time a gal came close to my window at the gas station, saw Snow and asked if she could take a picture of my doll, I told her, I’d rather her not. No sense in being part of her social media
So I’m not going to go around saying hey look at my dolls but I’m also not going to hide
Life’s too short not to be happy doing what you want to do
Also if people think that badly about you because you have a synthetic girlfriend, I doubt they’re worth being around
I won’t give any tv interviews but I’m going to do what I want with my gals
Here’s a shot of Zhen in the Jeep ready to head to LA

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2019, 05:19:20 AM »
After reading this post Noq and giving some thought my response is I treat my dolls as my significant others. I don’t take my dolls outside cause living here in my area there is really bad judgemental people. On the the other hand I try to help promote the doll community by making doll videos on YouTube. I mostly have my dolls dressed in regular clothing. My one doll channel I pulled the plug on. Now restarting all over again.

This world is not a good and bad world. Never will be just a good world but things does get better like the doll world I believe. Hopefully but realistically there is the bad downside to every good.

My experience like shared before is my supposed friends wont deal with me cause of my doll ownership. All I can say is my dolls showed me just who is good friends. You guys are.

Giving up on relationships was not hard for me. Like I said before if I new about dolls and if dolls was available back in my younger days I would of never gotten married or even dated. I mean it is like an action figure you can do more than just play with.

For me it is too good of a world with my dolls to give up.

I don’t know why people of intelligence think dolls are creepy, weird, strange, perverted, necromancy, adultery, or even fornication.
They are just a doll. They won’t harm anybody, cheat, steal, unfaithful, it is just a doll.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNXJn0oB-w

This guy is in my area. Makes sense what he says.

Any how not knowing how to end this post for now hopefully in the next ten years dolls will be widely accepted.

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2019, 12:14:56 PM »
     Thank you Halleheals and bestmthikr for your responses. The general public will not learn to accept that having dolls is normal until doll owners accept it for themselves. Doll owners need to change the way that they perceive dolls. Those who see dolls as nothing but sex objects are bound to project their own prejudices on others. Those who see dolls as the beautiful works of art that they are will likely project those thoughts to the real people that they meet.

     I am not a psychologist, but I picked up a few things in my 68 years. People often surprise me with some of the extreme behavior that I see on the news. That said, the average person is exactly that. They could care less if you have artificial plants, artificial animals, or even artificial humans.

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2019, 12:25:32 PM »

I had a recent exchange with a friend that I consider to be a typical perception of a doll owner...

He recently got a divorce - not a very outgoing person and after 20+ years of marriage, I don't perceive him as being in tune with today's world of dating - nor am I for that matter.

He sent me a lengthy Email about his new found loneliness and intentions of finding another woman.  He also mentioned what a strange new world it would be.

My response was "the mere notion of dealing with the head games, hormones and mood swings," it exhausts me just thinking about it.

I then included a link to the Real Doll website.

He did not respond but he sent another Email 2-3 weeks later voicing frustration about the dating world.  I mentioned there is an alternative and can't help but be fascinated by the realism in the dolls available today - they are not good conversationalists, don't cook or clean and might be a little cold, but on the other hand, they are beautiful, stay beautiful, never say no and don't get fat.

His response included how he would consider anyone who owned dolls to have a serious problem.


I believe this viewpoint is commonplace in society and a good reminder to me that it's best to keep all this private.

That seems to be a common theme with the uninformed, and where I live, the Holier-than-thou. Funny, these same people seem to have a high rate of ED, sexual frustration, and issues with significant others. They know all about the little blue pill and it's wonders, yet refuse to admit the answer is staring at them every time they walk in the door. Their wives. They are not getting enough pussy, and THAT is why their dicks stopped working. They'd need a pill to screw a doll! :facepalm:
And yet I'm the one with the problem? I can screw their wives and girlfriends into submission because I screw dolls every day that are tighter and better looking, and can go all day on a real one my age past her prime with no desire and body gone.
Yet, some of the ones I shared this with see me as some kind of sicko. Oh well. I TRIED to help them with their ED problems. They needn't come crying to me when their dicks fall asleep permanently. And THAT's what causes ED IMHO i.e. - not using it, and I can't help them then.