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noquiexis

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Question from Davecat
« on: May 29, 2019, 09:13:45 PM »
     Davecat (Twitter, Shouting to hear the echoes blog, ODC profile) is considered by many to be the Doll Ambassador due to him having given many interviews. He is not averse to appearing on camera, and is quite public about his love for artificial women.

     He recently asked me about doll owners' reactions to being public about the hobby. With his permission, I post his question and my reply.

     Davecat wrote, "Speaking of iDollator culture, here's a question for you: why do you think most iDollators are averse to having more of a public presence, in the context of the culture, not necessarily as individuals? Personally, most of the things I'm keen on lean towards the obscure, as I feel that those interests are more 'mine' if fewer people know of them, but the one thing I would love to see become a mainstream thing would be iDollator/robosexual culture. If there are more of us that let traditional society know there's nothing wrong with the partners we choose, perhaps more people would be open to joining our ranks. I realise that's being far too optimistic about human nature overall, but I'm allowed five minutes of optimism every month, so there's that sorted."

My reply:

     While most doll owners think of real women as 'people', I believe that in the back of their minds, they still think of dolls as sex objects. Most bought dolls for sex, but realized later that they are much more than that. Since they associate dolls with sex, they expect the general public to do the same. I believe this is an error (paranoia), and that belief exists only in the minds of doll owners. We are mistakenly taught that sex is something dirty or sinful, which is wrong on both counts. Sex is a requirement for the continuation of our species. Anybody's god who believes sex to be sinful only has himself to blame, since that god designed the system.
 
     Some doll owners have stated that they believe family, friends, neighbors, and employers would think less of them, disown them, or fire them if these people knew that they have a doll at home. They do not know this for sure, but they think it to be true. My thought is that what I do in the privacy of my home is my business, not theirs. If they cannot accept me for who I truly am, then they are not worth my time.

     Some people say "doll", "manikin", "love doll" and call themselves a "doll lover". "Sex doll" and the even worse "fuck doll" or "doll fucker" is self-debasing language. People who think that of dolls or themselves must perceive that the general public would do the same. No married person thinks of his wife (or her husband) as a "fuck woman" (or "fuck man"). If they did, they would not stay married for long!
 
     Popular fiction, including television and movies, has been preparing the public conscious to accept dolls, robots, and cyborgs for decades, if not centuries. Many doll owners have artificial plants and artificial animals, some of which are quite realistic. Why do they draw the line at artificial humans? They may have paintings and sculptures of women or men, but still have a problem with rubber sculptures of humans. My motto is: "We do not objectify women. We personify dolls!"
 
     You, I, and folks like us see dolls for the beautiful works of art that they are. To some degree, we associate them with living people, the same as those paintings and sculptures. We are not "lonely, horny old men", so it would not be impossible for any of us the form romantic relationships with women. We simply choose not to do so. Many women choose not to marry, whether or not they date anyone. Either they choose career over family, or they do not want to burden themselves with another human. Some single men and some single women foster or adopt children, and that is enough for them. A lot of people have living animals as pets, and think of those pets as though they are family.
 
     With your permission, I would like to post your question and my reply (above) on the forums. People fear what they do not know, or what they perceive to be true. Education is the only defense against fear.

Follow-up email to Davecat,

      I am too much within myself - I prefer time spent alone.
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     Sex is not a big thing for me. I 'tried' all of the dolls I have owned, but found sex with them to be more work that it was worth. I still enjoy the companionship, and I do give Feodora an occasional hug and kiss. Most of the time she is just 'room decoration'. It will not bother her if she is ignored for days at a time. I never change her clothes except for a photo shoot. She has been wearing the same pantyhose for years. (I never take them off of her.) I do change her brassiere occasionally (she has four colors) to match her dress or top.
 
     Feodora stands next to 'my' computer (picture from 9/3/2017) all the time except for photo shoots. ("Feodora's computer" picture). Anyone who comes to the apartment will see her. It is a testament to the Camp / incred doll stand that she is on it almost always.



Davecat responded,

"  Thanks for the answers you'd provided! All of the points you'd mentioned are ones that I'm (all too) aware of, but I was asking you to see if there's any perspective I may have missed. It goes without saying that you can totally post my question on ODC, of course! I need to pop in and see the responses! I need to pop in, in general...

  Like you, I prefer to be alone 90% of the time. Unlike you, I'm quite keen on sex. :-) With a Doll, and in the future, with a Gynoid, I'm able to enjoy both aspects of life — wonderful, fulfilling lovemaking, as well as being alone whenever the urge strikes me. Frankly, it's the best of both worlds, and it's mindboggling why more people aren't iDollators/robosexuals! But we've covered that.
"

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2019, 06:15:26 PM »
I've met Davecat, and he's a cool guy. What struck me from Davecat's reply:
"Like you, I prefer to be alone 90% of the time. Unlike you, I'm quite keen on sex. :-) With a Doll, and in the future, with a Gynoid, I'm able to enjoy both aspects of life — wonderful, fulfilling lovemaking, as well as being alone whenever the urge strikes me. Frankly, it's the best of both worlds, and it's mindboggling why more people aren't iDollators/robosexuals! But we've covered that."

He nailed it. This is why dolls make men's lives better. The constant nagging urge to have sex many of us have can now be controlled without involving a female. The freedom from that constant agony is quite liberating indeed. Bring on those gynoids!  :evil:

What struck me from noquiexis' post was:
" Some people say "doll", "manikin", "love doll" and call themselves a "doll lover". "Sex doll" and the even worse "fuck doll" or "doll fucker" is self-debasing language. People who think that of dolls or themselves must perceive that the general public would do the same. No married person thinks of his wife (or her husband) as a "fuck woman" (or "fuck man"). If they did, they would not stay married for long!"

Ouch. I've said before and I'll say again, I'm a doll fucker. That's the long and short of it. And if you've ever ONCE fucked a doll, guess what you are? Why deny the facts? I consider it being honest. BTW, my 2nd ex-wife was only good for one thing: sex. She proved woefully inept at every other useful skill in life. Looking back, I think she might have been a "fuck woman."  :laugh:

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 03:13:03 PM »
     I would like others to express their opinions on the subject.
Do you think life-sized dolls will ever become mainstream?
Do you think dolls are tolerated or accepted? If not, why do you think they are not?
For those who are married (or have girlfriends / boyfriends), how does your partner react to your dolls?

     Doll owners are clearly a minority group. Every minority group in history had to have people assert themselves to gain tolerance, even to the point of having laws passed.

     I would like those who do take their dolls out in public to give their insights and opinions. I do not promote taking doll out in public just to be seen with them. Some photo shoots work better on location than in-studio. Some effects would be difficult to recreate in-studio. In many of my own pictures, the location is the subject. Feodora is there to add 'human interest'.

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Trixie and Dixie are Private Secretary inflatable dolls.
Esperanza is a Tera Patrick inflatable doll.
See my gallery for their pictures.

Feodora is an Anatomical Doll, Face 3 Body 3 Set 2 Set 3 Set 4

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Re: Question from Davecat
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 08:26:18 AM »
About Smoke's Togetherness theme:

     Many doll owners are reluctant to take their dolls out in public. They fear what people will think of them, and what repercussions might ensue. Most people on these forums do not know your real name, where you live, or where you are employed. If your family, friends, or employers browse these forums, ask them what they were doing here! If any of these people have been where you live, and have seen your pictures, then they already know you by your furniture and living space.

     The fact that you are here at all is an indication that you want to share your doll experience with like-minded people. Attending doll meets is an example of people wanting to have face-to-face get-togethers with other doll owners. Showing your face here with your dolls, in the relative anonymity of the World Wide Web, does not take courage. It takes a change of mindset.

     Dolls will never go mainstream as long as doll owners themselves see something wrong with owning them. A lot of us remember when mannequins were commonplace in clothing stores. Did you ever question their existence, the store that used them, or the people who dressed them?

     Every raging river started out as rain or melting snow. Bringing dolls into the light will take time. Davecat, and others like him, see the normality of owning dolls. They are a big part of our lives. My daughters, their husbands, and their children think nothing of Feodora. They just see her as part of the furniture. When the maintenance men come into the apartment, they either ignore her, or ask about her just to make 'small talk' while they are working. None of these people think I run around wearing a tinfoil hat and a crazed expression. They know me for who I am.

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"Home isn't a place. It's the people in it. And they will always be with you!"
Andrew J. West as Henry Mills

Trixie and Dixie are Private Secretary inflatable dolls.
Esperanza is a Tera Patrick inflatable doll.
See my gallery for their pictures.

Feodora is an Anatomical Doll, Face 3 Body 3 Set 2 Set 3 Set 4