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Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« on: November 16, 2013, 08:35:31 AM »
Hi guys,

When I designed ScoonimDolls my goal was to create porn actor substitutes for amateur photography. But even though they are still fully equiped for this purpose, I discovered that just erotism was not enough to keep the dolls interesting. The longer I worked with the dolls, the more it became clear to me that the my dolls were capable of much more when I would be able to give expression to their faces. As you all know by now a ScoonimDoll therefor can be equiped with a face that can make expressions. I have already showed you several samples of it.  But what you cannot see from the pictures is the effect that is has on me as a person. I discovered that the added value of the poseable face is a roller coaster. It goes like this:

- you think of an expression  ::)
- you make the expression  ;D
- the expression tickles you to think of a dialoge in which the expression fits  ???
- in your mind you respond to the dialog  :-\
- you think of the response to your respons and make the new expression   :-*
- and before you know it you are having a whole conversation with your doll inside your head and on photo!  :o

I think it is pretty much the same as writers of novels do, but it adds the new dimension which is visual 'proof' of the conversation because the expressions can be stored on photo which not only is nice for me, but also can be shared with others  ;)

Because of this epifany I have begun to wonder if there would be a aftermarket big enough for full size doll heads equiped with similar technics for making facial expressions. I am currently considering to invest in this, but there is still a lot I need to find out before I will even start making a testmodel. To get answers to some of my questions I very much would like to know how you think about my idea.  Now we are talking about really pricy heads and for dolls that do not already have removable heads (not just the face, but the whole head will need to be replaced) likely some serious operating on these dolls to make the new head fit  ::)
 
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Re: Jusu a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2013, 08:55:54 AM »
I noticed that I got a bit distracted from the atual topic that I wanted to make, so I wil for now put myself back on track and start with what I actually wanted to show to you: The bikini story  ;D

The photos for the story that you are about to see were made when I finished Oksanna, who is therefor of course the special guest star. All characters are purely fictionous except for of course for Stellai, who wants everybody including herself to know that she is very real, that she is not a creation of my mind, that Oksanna in real speaks Russian and that in fact I am the only fictionous character in this story, pretending to be kind and understanding, but accoding to her (Stellai) I am in real some kind of selfish, narcistic, tyrannic, oversized ScoonimDoll that calles himself human (after which she standard shouts: "whatever that may be!") with some very, very strange ideas about life :evil: .

Ok, enough introducing.
I hope you will enjoy this ride. To minimize the risk of you dying from exaltation (or total boredom) and giving our not so regular guests the opportunity to hop on, I will cut the story in parts and make regular updates for the next few weeks. The total amount of photos is 60 and there are also some video clips...   8)
Koen  ;)

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After the finishing of Tanyss and Svetlanna and the story I made of them with Stellai (see my video on Youtube:  Just a Peek) Stellai got so much depressed that for a long time I thought it best not to show her any of my new work. I did not want to risk a new depression because the new doll would also be shipped shortly after the presentation shoot and I knew Stellai would feel alone again. But like a real woman she sensed that I was withholding something from her and when her asking got to the level of serious threatening, I decided to give in. But other than I did with Tanyss and Svetlanna I thought it best to have Stellai actually meet the new ScoonimDoll....














to be continued...
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Re: Jusu a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2013, 09:08:15 AM »
I for one would love it. Even if it is just the mouth. To get a smile would be worth the effort to mount a head. The only problem is I would want the face to match to a doll I already have like Ceilidh. At the very least the skin color, and very similar features.




Your photo stories are awesome!!

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Re: Jusu a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2013, 10:06:31 AM »
A full sized head with modifiable facial expressions would be brilliant! As Incread said the mouth would be the priority - and movable eyelids would probably be "relatively" easy to add. (That's pretty much all your need, then, isn't it?)  :thumb:

BTW: Ruby's would be good start. They have exchangeable full heads (hint, hint).  :whistle:

(And of course: Looking forward to the next part of Stellai's newest adventure.)  :-*

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Re: Jusu a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2013, 06:07:49 PM »
Thanks for your responses, guys   :thumb:

I will throw some extra wood on the fire:
To make expressions in a face you need a lot more than just moving the mouth and upper eyelids.  In  the poseable face of a ScoonimDoll you can of course pose the mouth, eyes and  upper eyelids, but you can also pose the eyebrows and cheeks. And the posing of the mouth is not just open and close. Like a human you can pose the jaw also forward, back and sideways and pose the mouthcorners up, down and sideways. And still, the poseable face of my ScoonimDolls does not even come close to the expression possibilities of a human face.  When you study the expressions of your own face you will discover that a lot more parts of your face are active than just your mouth and eyelids!  :o

For the full size poseable head I think that my experience with the poseable face for ScoonimDolls is a good start, but I doubt it if a ScoonimDoll poseable skull scaled to full size would result in an acceptable product  ::).
Besides that,  the costs are not in the extra posing features, but in the total of work that needs to be done. When I would design and make a face with limited posing features, this would, relatively seen, become a very expensive product when compared to a fully poseable face. 

Another thought I have is to design an adjustable base  (skull with posing frames) and make copies of the original doll heads/faces so that the owners receive a  head with fully similar face, but upgraded to poseable face. Obviously this is a preferable system, but it is also even more expensive  :(

I could also 'play both sides'. Making one or two standard  poseable heads and next to that offer the option to upgrade the original head. When the skull base is adjustable this should be possible and gives the option for offering poseable faces for different budgets.  But it will remain to be expensive upto very expensive.

Question is howmany doll owners would be interested in this and to what level of budget will a doll owner still be interested and consider buying a poseable head?

I am going to give you my current guess about the prices:

Poseable head of my own design: € 3000,-
Poseable head based on making a copy of the original head of your doll: €4500,-
Poseable head based on making a copy of the original face (!) of your doll and attaching it to the original body: €6000,- (for dolls that do not have seperate heads)

Please understand that these prices are really just guesses.
 
What I would like to know is: when I would actually offer this, would it be worth considering for you guys?
Please know that I am just investigating. You cannot order yet!!! And I am equally pleased to know when you tell me that these prices are (way) above your budget. If you do not want to reply in the forum you can  of course also PM me or send me an email (koen@scoonims.com) :)

I hope to receive a lot of response to this.

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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013, 08:18:40 PM »
Poseable head based on making a copy of the original head of your doll: €4500,-

Yes I would be interested. $6000. is worth it for a fully poseable face of Ceilidh. However her body is not worth anything, and would have to find her a new body too. One doll for the price of two, but still worth it.

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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 08:47:37 PM »
Perhaps you could offer financing...  :whistle:
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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 09:12:41 AM »
Hi Koen,

 i think that the beauty of SD is that they are the closest to a human in 1/6 scale, meaninig that their head is attached tonthe body in a realistic way. I am not interested in having a SD with exchangeable heads. I would definitely go for a SD with the poseable face just as it is now.


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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 10:49:47 AM »
Koen,

Facial expressions may be the next great innovation in dolls.  I hope you have patented your methods for this?  It's only a matter of time before another doll company wants to "borrow" some of your ideas.

Facial expressions are of course mainly for photography.  How many potential customers are as deeply into doll photography as Incred?  Not many.  As for me, I would be very interested in a face whose mouth I can close and/or smile.  Even a small smile would be SUPER.  But I would not want to pay for a Stellai-quality face until I get more deeply into the hobby.

Would it be necessary to buy a whole head?  Can a RealDoll snap-on face be modified?  I tried gluing small hooks to the inside of my doll's face, above & below the mouth, so the mouth could be held closed with a small wire loop.  It worked, but I left the face under tension too long, so that the glue finally gave out.

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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 03:35:16 AM »
I like Stellai adventures ,she really is adorable.
I was waiting for the new doll to pop out from behind the case to surprise Stellai, I just glimpsed her leg under the towel.
Maybe later. :)

On to heads.
It would be a very limited market rather like your Scoomin dolls I would of thought.
I would not think at the presenrt time there would be enough customers to make a large number but for the small clientele of collectors one offs would be feasible but the numbers would very limited.
Rather like your Scoomins again, limited collectors pieces.
But then who knows , the Japanese and Koreans are developing movable robotic models and faces, who knows what the future may bring.

You have a fertile mind , I will look forward to watching the developments if you go ahead with this.
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Re: Just a Bikini - a ScoonimDoll story (part 1)
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2013, 06:41:38 AM »
Hi Koen,

 i think that the beauty of SD is that they are the closest to a human in 1/6 scale, meaninig that their head is attached tonthe body in a realistic way. I am not interested in having a SD with exchangeable heads. I would definitely go for a SD with the poseable face just as it is now.
Hi warrior, thanks for your response.
it is not my intention to offer ScoonimDolls with exchangeable heads. The exchangeable poseable head idea is for real size dolls and it is likely going to be a new product which I intent to make.  :)

Koen,

Facial expressions may be the next great innovation in dolls.  I hope you have patented your methods for this?  It's only a matter of time before another doll company wants to "borrow" some of your ideas.

Facial expressions are of course mainly for photography.  How many potential customers are as deeply into doll photography as Incred?  Not many.  As for me, I would be very interested in a face whose mouth I can close and/or smile.  Even a small smile would be SUPER.  But I would not want to pay for a Stellai-quality face until I get more deeply into the hobby.

Would it be necessary to buy a whole head?  Can a RealDoll snap-on face be modified?  I tried gluing small hooks to the inside of my doll's face, above & below the mouth, so the mouth could be held closed with a small wire loop.  It worked, but I left the face under tension too long, so that the glue finally gave out.
The idea and methods that will be in the system may be original, but patents will be very hard to get for this. The main problem for this, as Ray and you yourself already remarked, is the size of the market for this kind of product. This means that the costs for getting and claiming patent rights will most likely not be in balance with the benefits. But I must say that I know from experience that the chance that somebody else will really try to copy my ideas and system is unlikely because there is a lot of labour in, a lot of invisible knowledge a high level of customizing and a very limited group of clients even when you drop prices. As for instance: I think it to be unlikely that it will be possible to change the current snap-on face of a real doll for a high quality poseable face. I think that it will be neccessary to fully change the head, which means that for realdoll  some serious surgery will be needed to get a poseable face. This will limit the amount of interested persons considerably and for the remaining few I think that a doll owner will prefer quality over costs  :)

Koen
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